Magnetic Dipole Moment of a bar magnet

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The discussion revolves around the magnetic dipole moment of a bar magnet, exploring its definition, characteristics, and the relationship to torque in external magnetic fields. Participants are questioning the necessity of defining the magnetic dipole moment in relation to torque and whether alternative definitions exist.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a bar magnet has a definite magnetic dipole moment regardless of external fields, questioning why this moment is defined in relation to torque.
  • Others suggest that the observable characteristic of a magnetic dipole moment is its tendency to align with an external magnetic field, proposing this as a basis for describing its strength.
  • A participant references external articles discussing the units and definitions related to magnetic dipole moments, indicating that understanding these units may clarify the concept.
  • There is mention of a simpler definition of magnetic dipoles that emphasizes torque as a result of an external field, suggesting a potential alternative perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of defining magnetic dipole moments in relation to torque, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference external articles for further clarification, but there are indications of confusion regarding the application of these definitions specifically to bar magnets.

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A bar magnet will have a definite magnetic dipole moment, irrespective of the presence of an external field. Why is the moment, then, always defined in relation to the torque it would feel in an external field? Is there any other definition for the same?
 
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jim hardy said:
you might digest these articles

Thank you. But I still can't get it for a bar magnet.
 
akhila_k said:
Why is the moment, then, always defined in relation to the torque it would feel in an external field? Is there any other definition for the same?

That is its most readily observable characteristic, its tendency to align with an external field. Think Boy Scout Compass needle...

So why not use that to describe its strength?

According to these guys
https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/definitions/magnetic-dipoles-2
its definition is simpler, and Torque is the result of applying an external field.

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as explained in that earlier Hyperphysics link.

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