Could a distribution of magnetic Dipoles create an Energy minimum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of creating a magnetic trap that establishes a minimum of magnetic potential energy in three-dimensional space using a distribution of magnetic dipoles. Participants explore whether it is possible to configure magnetic dipoles to create a point in space where a particle with an aligned dipole moment could be stably held.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes creating a magnetic trap that would allow a particle with a dipole moment to remain stable at a specific point in space.
  • Another participant points out that a magnetic field with a lower value in all directions implies a non-zero divergence, which contradicts the property of magnetic fields having zero divergence.
  • A participant suggests the concept of magnetic bottles as a potential reference for trapping charged particles, but notes that the original inquiry involves neutral particles with dipole moments.
  • One participant mentions Earnshaw's theorem as a possible limitation to the proposed idea, indicating that it may prevent the creation of such a stable configuration.
  • Another participant clarifies that Earnshaw's theorem applies only to static and paramagnetic magnets, suggesting that levitation might still be possible using diamagnetic materials or by dynamically varying the fields.
  • A later reply critiques the tendency to guess at the original poster's intent, emphasizing that the question posed is specific and should be addressed directly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the proposed magnetic trap, with some supporting the idea and others citing theoretical limitations such as Earnshaw's theorem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the possibility of achieving the desired magnetic configuration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions regarding the nature of the magnetic fields and the specific configurations of dipoles needed to achieve the proposed energy minimum. The discussion also highlights the distinction between charged and neutral particles in the context of magnetic trapping.

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The think is that I would like to create a magnetic trap "minimum of magnetic potential energy in all 3 directions of space" using a distribution of magnetic dipoles as a field generator.

In other words, I would like to know if setting in some way some magnetic dipoles is possible to create a point in space [x,y,z] with a magnetic field that surrounds this position having a lower value in all directions, in order to put a particle with the dipole moment aligned to the magnetic field at position [x,y,z] and could remain there.
 
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davidt92 said:
with a magnetic field that surrounds this position having a lower value in all directions

That's a description of a magnetic field with non-zero divergence. Unfortunately, magnetic fields have zero divergence.
 
anorlunda said:
Perhaps you are thinking of this .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_mirror#Magnetic_bottles[QUOTEMagnetic bottles can be used to temporarily trap charged particles.]
[/QUOTE]Is exactly the opposite of this, A Magnetic bottles is usefull for charged particles, iI don't have a charged particle, instead I have a neutral particle with dipole moment. So based on the formula $$E=-\vec{m}*\vec{B}$$ a minimum in energy will be when having a maximum in magnetic field, So i wolud like to create some distribution of dipoles f.ex, something similar to this:
nmat4402-f1.jpg


That have a minimum in energy somewhere in space.
 
Just to preempt the inevitable YouTube videos, Earnshaw's theorem only applies to static and paramagnetic magnets. You can levitate things by using diamagnetic materials, or by varying the fields dynamically.
 
Why are we guessing? He told us what he wants. Very specifically. One of the bad habits of PF is that we guess at the question, but in this case we have a very specific question, with a very specific answer, and we're still guessing that the OP might want something else as the answer.
 

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