Magnetic & electric fields in QM?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of magnetic and electric fields in quantum mechanics (QM), exploring whether these fields are necessary within the framework of quantum theory. The conversation touches on the fundamental nature of potentials versus fields in QM and classical electrodynamics, as well as the significance of the magnetic moment and its relation to magnetic potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether quantum theory necessitates the existence of magnetic fields.
  • Others assert that in quantum mechanics, potentials are considered the fundamental objects, contrasting with classical electrodynamics where fields are viewed as fundamental.
  • One participant highlights the importance of the magnetic moment in QM, specifically mentioning the Bohr magneton and its role in calculating magnetic potential energy.
  • Another participant distinguishes between the magnetic moment and the magnetic potential, emphasizing that the Bohr magneton is merely a numerical value and discussing the concept of magnetic potential energy in relation to external magnetic fields and dipoles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of magnetic and electric fields in quantum theory, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of terms like "potentials" and "fields," which may not be universally agreed upon. There is also an implication of varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts discussed.

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All atoms have magnetic moments but does Quantum theory require magnetic fields at all?

Does Quantum theory require electric fields?
 
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In QM the potentials are the fundamental objects, as compared to the classical electrodynamics where the fields are measurable and viewed as fundamental, while the potential are only mathematically convenient objects.
 
I know the magnetic moment is important in QM such as the Bohr magneton. But you could say that it is used to calculate the magnetic potential energy.
 
The magnetic moment is one thing, the magnetic potential [itex]\mathbf{A}[/itex] is another. And the Bohr magneton is just a number (it had been previously introduced in 1912 by the Romanian physicist Stefan Procopiu). And the magnetic potential energy is usually the potential interaction energy b/w an external magnetic field and a dipole. So you need to to brush up your knowledge of these concepts.
 

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