Magnetic field at origin due to infinite wires and semicircular turn

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field at the origin due to an arrangement of infinite wires and a semicircular turn. The original poster describes their setup, including the orientation of the wires and the application of the Biot-Savart law to determine the magnetic field contributions from the left wire.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the Biot-Savart law but questions the direction of the resulting magnetic field vector, which they find inconsistent with their expectations based on the right-hand rule. They also explore the relationship between their configuration and the fields from two infinite wires plus a semicircle.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made regarding the direction of the magnetic field and the implications of the configuration. Some suggest considering the superposition of fields from multiple sources and hint at alternative approaches to simplify the problem.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the correctness of the magnetic field direction and the potential for a simpler analysis by considering symmetry in the configuration. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the physical interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement
An infinite wire is bent to resemble a U. The U-part is a semicircle with radius ##R = 5.14 \, \text{cm}##. Calculate the magnetic field at point ##P##, which is the center of curvature of the semicircular part.
Relevant Equations
Biot-Savart law ##\vec{B}(\vec{r}) = \frac{\mu_0 I}{4 \pi} \int \frac{d\vec{s}^\prime \times (\vec{r} - \vec{r}^\prime)}{\vert \vec{r} - \vec{r}^\prime \vert^3}##.
Right now, I am trying to calculate the field due to the left straight wire. For clearance, I have oriented the contraption such that the straight wires go from ##z = 0## to ##z = \infty## and pass through ##x = \pm R##, i.e. the semicircle is below the ##x##-axis. The current starts at ##z = \infty## on the left wire and flows towards ##z = 0##. That makes the point ##P## the coordinate origin. Thus, Biot-Savart tells us that

$$
\vec{B}(\vec{p}) = \vec{B}(0) = -\frac{\mu_0 I}{4 \pi} \int \frac{d\vec{s}^\prime \times \vec{r}^\prime}{(r^\prime)^3} = -\frac{\mu_0 I}{4 \pi} \int \frac{d\vec{s}^\prime \times \hat{r}^\prime}{(r^\prime)^2}
$$

Since the vector product ##\cdot \times \cdot## is distributive, I can calculate the magnetic field of each individual contributor separately. For the left wire (i.e the one passing through ##x=-R##), I use

$$
d\vec{s}^\prime = dz \cdot \hat{z}
$$

and

$$
r^\prime = \sqrt{R^2 + z^2}, \hat{r}^\prime = \begin{pmatrix} -\cos(\alpha) \\ 0 \\ \sin(\alpha) \\ \end{pmatrix}.
$$

Here, I introduced the angle ##\alpha## as the angle between the ##x##-axis and the "arm" that's sliding along the wire in the integration process. Then, the cross product is

$$
d\vec{s}^\prime \times \hat{r}^\prime = dz \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 1 \\ \end{pmatrix} \times \begin{pmatrix} -\cos(\alpha) \\ 0 \\ \sin(\alpha) \\ \end{pmatrix} = dz \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ -\cos(\alpha) \\ 0 \\ \end{pmatrix}
$$

This is where I start wondering already. It doesn't seem right that the field vector is pointing in the ##y## direction, as by the right hand rule it should be a closed circle, parallel to the ##x##-##y##-plane. What did I do wrong here?
 
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Use some imagination....
How is the field from your configuration related to the field from two infinite wires plus one circle?

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BvU said:
Use some imagination....
How is the field from your configuration related to the field from two infinite wires plus one circle?

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As mentioned above, it should be a superposition of the three individual fields, due to ##\vec{a} \times (\vec{b} + \vec{c} + \vec{d}) = \vec{a} \times \vec{b} + \vec{a} \times \vec{c} + \vec{a} \times \vec{d}##. What I derived above only applies to the leftmost wire. Correct me if I'm wrong, but typically the magnetic field of a wire consists of circular lines around the wire. That doesn't add up with the field vector pointing in the ##y##-direction here though.
 
PhysicsRock said:
It doesn't seem right that the field vector is pointing in the y direction, as by the right hand rule it should be a closed circle, parallel to the x-y-plane.
A circle in the xy plane has a tangent in the y direction at two points. Does one of those happen to be point P?

As @BvU hints, there is a much easier way. If there were a second instance of the U, same plane, rotated 180 degrees, would it exert the same field at P? Is there a way to decompose the sum of those two Us into two much simpler circuits?
 
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