Magnetic field coil ferrous material for loudspeaker

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and engineering of field coil loudspeakers, focusing on the materials used for magnetic coils, particularly soft magnetic materials versus permanent magnets. Participants explore the implications of magnetic flux density, current requirements, and the historical context of loudspeaker technology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the importance of maximizing flux density while minimizing current in field coil loudspeakers, mentioning materials like FeCo and FeSi alloys.
  • Others argue that the design of the magnetic circuit, including the air gap, significantly affects the efficiency and current requirements of the loudspeaker.
  • Historical context is provided, noting that permanent magnets have been standard in loudspeakers since around 1940, while earlier designs utilized electromagnets.
  • One participant emphasizes the trade-offs between inductance and frequency response in the context of using fine wire coils.
  • Concerns are raised about the longevity and stability of magnetic flux in permanent magnets compared to field coils, with some suggesting that field coils allow for adjustable flux density.
  • Disagreements arise regarding the definitions and properties of ferromagnetic materials and permanent magnets, with some participants questioning the validity of claims about magnetic flux decay over time.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the practicality of field coil loudspeakers compared to commercially available options.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness and practicality of field coil loudspeakers versus permanent magnet designs. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing opinions on the significance of magnetic flux stability and the implications of using various materials.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need to consider factors such as copper mass, power consumption, temperature limits, and insulation in the design of loudspeakers. There are also unresolved technical definitions and claims regarding ferromagnetic properties and the aging of magnets.

  • #31
arivel said:
I realize that there are many questions to answer and therefore I don't expect to get all the answers but I would like to get the answer to just one question, I don't think I'm asking too much.
what happens if I put two metals with different magnetic saturation but different or equal magnetic permeability in contact?

the metal with higher magnetic saturation is used to generate the magnetic field through the copper coil while the second metal with lower magnetic saturation is used to channel and close the flux of the magnetic field in a toroidal ring so as not to disperse it in the surrounding space.

I would like to know how the characteristics of the magnetic field that passes through two different metals change.
Can you use the "Attach files" link below the Edit window to upload a diagram of this arrangement? How can you have a voicecoil on a toroid? Thanks.
 
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  • #32
if you say this it means that I used the wrong word.
refer to the image of the number 24 .
there it is shown in section but you have to imagine it in three dimensions
 

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