Magnetic Field Force of a proton

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The problem involves a proton moving through a uniform magnetic field, with specific values for the magnetic field and the proton's velocity. The original poster seeks to determine the component of the proton's velocity in the x-direction, Vx, based on the magnetic force experienced by the proton.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the cross product in the context of the magnetic force equation, with attempts to isolate the variable Vx. There are questions regarding the proper accounting of the charge of the proton and the units of the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, expanding equations symbolically, and checking assumptions about the charge and units. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider all components of the magnetic field and their contributions to the force.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific values for the magnetic field in milliTeslas and the charge of the proton, which may influence the calculations being discussed. The original poster's calculations have been questioned and revised based on these considerations.

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Homework Statement


A proton moves through a uniform magnetic field given by
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= (10
ihat.gif
−25.3(j-hat) + 30(k-hat))mT. At time t1, the proton has a velocity given by
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= vx
ihat.gif
+ vy(j-hat)+ (2.0 km/s)(k-hat) and the magnetic force on the proton is
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B = (4.46 ✕ 10−17 N)
ihat.gif
+ (1.76 ✕ 10−17 N)(j-hat).

At this instant, what is Vx?

Homework Equations


F= qV x B

The Attempt at a Solution


F/qB= V (using all the i-hat values since I am looking for Vx)
(4.46x10^-17)/(1.6x10^-19)(0.001)
This gives me= 278750 m/s
 
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Your relevant equation involves a cross product, so each force component will involve a mix of contributions from other components of the velocity and field vectors.

I suggest that you expand the cross product in the equation symbolically first, then pick out useful equations from the force terms.
 
ok I have expanded the cross product and got this;

(Vy)(30) - (2000)(-25.6) = 30Vy + 512000
(2000)(10) - (Vx)(30) = 20,000 - 30Vx
(Vx)(-25.6) - (Vy)(-25.6) = -25.6Vx + 25.6Vy

So the relevant equation would be the second, since it has a Vx. I set that equal to 1.76E-17/ e and solved for Vx which did not work.
 
I don't see where you've accounted for the charge on the proton or the given units of the magnetic field terms (milli Teslas).
 
I accounted for the charge by dividing by e, and just redid the calculation with 0.03 instead of 30.
 
PhysicsInNJ said:
I accounted for the charge by dividing by e, and just redid the calculation with 0.03 instead of 30.
That accounts for the ##B\hat{k}## term. What about the ##B\hat{i}## term (10 mT)?
 
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Thank you so much! that cleared it up!
 

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