Magnetic field of a hollow cylinder

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The original poster attempts to find an expression for the magnetic field of a hollow finite solenoid carrying a uniform current. The setup involves windings around a hollow PVC pipe, and the problem is situated within the context of electromagnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using Biot-Savart's law and magnetic vector potential for surface currents. The original poster considers cylindrical coordinates and attempts to define current density and the necessary vectors. Questions arise regarding the setup and the potential need for elliptic integrals. Some participants suggest analyzing a single loop and applying superposition, while others raise concerns about fringing effects and the introduction of ferromagnetic materials.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring various approaches and considerations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the analysis of a single loop and the implications of fringing effects, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential complexity introduced by fringing fields and the presence of ferromagnetic materials, which may affect the magnetic field calculations. There is also a reference to specific equations from Griffiths' text, indicating reliance on established resources.

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Homework Statement


Find an expression for the magnetic field of a hollow finite solenoid carrying uniform current with n turns (there is no top or bottom surfaces and the turns a very closely winded) at a point arbitrary P both inside and outside. Let's just say windings around a hollow pvc pipe.


Homework Equations


I can use either biot savarts law and/or magnetic vector potential for surface currents. I'll use griffiths notation 3rd edition equations 5.39 and 5.64 respectively.


The Attempt at a Solution


I'll attempt this in cylinderical coordinates. Since the current is uniform. I'll use the

[itex]\vec{A}\left(\vec{r}\right)=\frac{1}{4\pi}\int\frac{\vec{K\left(r'\right)}}{\tau}da'[/itex]

Current density [itex]\vec{K}[/itex] is in the [itex]\hat{\phi}[/itex]

so [itex]\vec{K}=\frac{nI}{z'}\hat{\phi}[/itex] ? Since current is uniform.
[itex]\tau=\left|r-r'\right|[/itex]

[itex]r=s\hat{s}+s\phi\hat{\phi}+z\hat{z}[/itex]
[itex]r'=s\hat{s}?[/itex]

[itex]da'=sd\phi'dz'[/itex]

Where the limits of phi' is 0->2*pi and z' is 0 -> L (length of cylinder)
 
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Do you have an image of the particular set-up? Or could you reference to one in Griffiths?
 
Hi Sandy, I just attached an image file its just turns of wire wrapped around a pvc. I looked up a few things I think I have to use elliptic integrals... My first aim is to write an expression for the current density and the position and source vectors r and r'.
 

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Are you neglecting fringing? If you use Biot-Savart, have you considered analyzing a single loop, and then applying superposition to n loops?
 
I've thought about that since Jackson's has a solution to a single loop of wire. But I'm going to be inserting a ferromagntic material inside at some stage so I might need to take fringing fields into account?
 
Well, I am not really in a position to help you with the fringing effects as I only have experience at the undergraduate level thus far.
 

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