Magnetic Field of half cylinder

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The problem involves determining the magnetic field at a point on the axis of a half-cylinder shaped wire carrying an electrical current. The wire is described as having a semicircular cross-section with a uniform current distribution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the wire's shape and current direction, questioning whether it is a straight wire cut in half or a bent wire. There is confusion regarding the application of the Biot-Savart law and the integration process for calculating the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested avoiding the Biot-Savart law due to its complexity in this scenario. Others have proposed a method involving the calculation of current density and contributions from elemental wire segments. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the geometry of the wire and the implications for magnetic field calculations. There is mention of needing to clarify the relationship between current density and the cross-sectional area of the wire.

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Homework Statement


Electrical current is flowing along a long, straight wire that has a shape of a half-cylinder of radius R. Cross-section of the wire is shown, current is directed out of the plane of the picture. Current is distributed uniformly along the wire and has total magnitude I. Find magnetic field B at the point O on axis of the wire.


Homework Equations


dB = [itex]\mu[/itex]0/4pi (IdlXr)/r^2


The Attempt at a Solution



Here's what i don't get? is this saying that the wire is cut in half and is only a half cylinder and current is coming out? or is the wire bent in a half cylinder and is asking for the mag field at a distance R? btw the point O on the axis is literally the center of the circle. From O to to anywhere on the semicircle is the radius R. I'm confused as to the meaning.
 
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The wire is not bent. The problem clearly states "straight wire". It is a wire cut in half along its length so that its cross section is a semicircle.
 
okay so when I find the magnetic field due to a small length dL, do i just integrate that over the course of the half circle piR or do i also include the radius? because if the wire is just a semi circle, then does the straight line segment also carry a charge?
 
actually can i even use the biot savart law in this case? because the law is used for infinitesimal current elements only and in this case, the distance between the current element and point of interest is very small seeing that the point of interest is on the wire itself...
 
Don't use Biot-Savart - it will be too messy. Calculate the contribution dB from an infinite wire of cross sectional area (rdθ)xdr and then do the double integral over the semicircle.
 
kuruman said:
Don't use Biot-Savart - it will be too messy. Calculate the contribution dB from an infinite wire of cross sectional area (rdθ)xdr and then do the double integral over the semicircle.

so does this make sense?

dL = Rdθ

area of the cross sectional area with arc length dl = area = [itex]\frac{dl}{2R\pi}[/itex][itex]\pi[/itex]R2 = RdθR2[itex]\pi[/itex]/2R[itex]\pi[/itex] = R2dθ/2

so do i do that cross r? and why are we using the area in this case?
 
n0va said:
so does this make sense?

area of the cross sectional area with arc length dl = area = [itex]\frac{dl}{2R\pi}[/itex][itex]\pi[/itex]R2 = RdθR2[itex]\pi[/itex]/2R[itex]\pi[/itex] = R2dθ/2

so do i do that cross r? and why are we using the area in this case?
We are using the area because we know that the current density J is the total current I carried by the wire divided by the area over which it flows.

Here is a step by step procedure:
1. Find the current density.
2. Find the current dI carried by an elemental wire of cross sectional area (rdθ)xdr.
3. Find the magnitude of the magnetic field dB contributed by this elemental wire at the axis using the equation for the infinite wire.
4. Find the x and y components of the magnetic field, x and dBy.
5. Integrate each component separately.

If you can do all this, fine. If not, please post a detailed account of what you did and/or where you got stuck.
 

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