Magnetic Field [Perpendicular wires]

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field created by one wire and the force acting on a second wire due to that magnetic field. The context involves the application of the Biot-Savart Law and the force equation related to current-carrying wires.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up an integral to find the magnetic field and force, questioning the validity of ignoring the current in the second wire during the integration process. Some participants suggest using known results for the magnetic field instead of integrating, while others clarify the integration needed to find the force on the second wire.

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Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, with some providing guidance on using established formulas for the magnetic field. There is an ongoing inquiry about the necessity of integration for calculating the magnetic field, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus.

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There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the integration limits and the implications of ignoring the second wire's current. The discussion reflects a focus on understanding the setup and assumptions involved in the problem.

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Homework Equations


Biot-Savart Law: ## dB = μIdl/4πr^2
F = ILxB

The Attempt at a Solution



I have not tried to solve it. BUT, please check my approach. I want to make sure my method is correct and whether there is a flaw or no.

I am trying to set up an integral here. I am to integrate it from from ## d+L ## to ## d ##. To do so, I will ignore the current in ## I_2 ## while integrating. Then, once I found ## B ## created by ## I_1 ## (which is "into the plane." [Meaning force acting on ## I_2 ## is in the same direction as ## I_2 ##

What is wrong up until now?

Well, here I am not sure how to find F acting on ## I_2 ##... Does ## F = IL(dot)B ## work?

Thank you.
 

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I don't think you need to integrate along the infinite wire to find the magnetic field ##\vec{B}## it creates. You can just use the well-known result.

But you will need to integrate along the short wire, using the limits of integration you mentioned. Integrate

##d \vec{F}=I \ d \vec{L} \times \vec {B}##

to find the force.
 
Mister T said:
I don't think you need to integrate along the infinite wire to find the magnetic field ##\vec{B}## it creates. You can just use the well-known result.

But you will need to integrate along the short wire, using the limits of integration you mentioned. Integrate

##d \vec{F}=I \ d \vec{L} \times \vec {B}##

to find the force.

So, I can just use B = μI/2πr, where r is distance from wire 1 to wire 2, to find the Magnetic field that ## I_1 ## creating?

Can you shortly explain the reason behind not integrating to find ## B ##? I am not quite clear on that...
 
Antonius said:
So, I can just use B = μI/2πr, where r is distance from wire 1 to wire 2, to find the Magnetic field that ## I_1 ## creating?
The distance from (the closest point along) Wire 1 to each differential element ##d \vec{L}## in Wire 2, yes.

Can you shortly explain the reason behind not integrating to find ## B ##? I am not quite clear on that...
Integrating along the infinitely-long Wire 1 to determine the magnetic field ##\vec {B}## will result in the well-known expression ##\frac{\mu_oI}{2 \pi r}## for its magnitude. You will then have to use that result to perform the other integration (the one I described in my first post) to find ##\vec{F}##. I don't think it's your prof's intention that you do both integrals as the first one is found in every textbook.
 
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