Magnetic Force with Parallel currents

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field at a point near two long parallel wires carrying currents in opposite directions. The participants are analyzing the magnetic field contributions from each wire based on their distances from the point of interest.

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the magnetic field using the formula B=μo*I / 2πR, breaking it down into components and considering the vector nature of the magnetic field.

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Some participants affirm the correctness of the steps taken so far, while others express uncertainty about the final simplification and the book's provided answer. There is an ongoing exploration of potential mistakes in the calculations leading to the final expression for the magnetic field.

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Participants are questioning the validity of the book's answer, suggesting it may be incorrect based on their derived results and the behavior of the magnetic field under certain conditions.

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Homework Statement


A circuit with current I has two long parallel wire sections that carry current in opposite directions. Find magneticfieldatapointPnearthesewiresthatisadistance a from one wire and b from the other wire as shown in the figure.
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Homework Equations



B=μo*I / 2πR

The Attempt at a Solution



Field for I1:
B1 = μo*I / 2πb
Field for I1:
B2 = μo*I / 2πa

First have to calculate the x and y components:

Bnetx = B2 [ - sin(θ)] + B1 [cos(0)] = B2 [ - sin(θ)] + B1
Bnety = B2 [cos(θ)] + B1 [sin(0)] = B2 [cos(θ)]

cos(θ) = sqrt(a2 - b2) / a
sin(θ) = b/a

And find the total net value, Bnet = sqrt( Bnetx2 + Bnety2) so,

Bnet = sqrt( ( (μo*I / 2πa) [ - b/a] + (μo*I / 2πb))2 + (( μo*I / 2πa) [sqrt(a2 - b2) / a])2 )

And I just simplify this whole mess, correct? If it's correct up to here, then my mistake is only in the simplifying, and not the steps leading up to it.
 

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Ignitia said:

Homework Statement


A circuit with current I has two long parallel wire sections that carry current in opposite directions. Find magneticfieldatapointPnearthesewiresthatisadistance a from one wire and b from the other wire as shown in the figure.
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Homework Equations



B=μo*I / 2πR

The Attempt at a Solution



Field for I1:
B1 = μo*I / 2πb
Field for I1:
B2 = μo*I / 2πa

First have to calculate the x and y components:

Bnetx = B2 [ - sin(θ)] + B1 [cos(0)] = B2 [ - sin(θ)] + B1
Bnety = B2 [cos(θ)] + B1 [sin(0)] = B2 [cos(θ)]

cos(θ) = sqrt(a2 - b2) / a
sin(θ) = b/a

And find the total net value, Bnet = sqrt( Bnetx2 + Bnety2) so,
Correct up to here, didn't check the last line. Actually your answer is Bnetx and Bnety since B is a vector with x and y components. Your way calculates the magnitude of the net B field but actually that was not explicitly asked for.Bnet = sqrt( ( (μo*I / 2πa) [ - b/a] + (μo*I / 2πb))2 + (( μo*I / 2πa) [sqrt(a2 - b2) / a])2 )

And I just simplify this whole mess, correct? If it's correct up to here, then my mistake is only in the simplifying, and not the steps leading up to it.[/QUOTE]
 
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Your steps are correct
 
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It looks correct to me. What answer did they give?
 
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Charles Link said:
It looks correct to me. What answer did they give?

The answer was

B = μo*I*a/2πb2

I got it down to

B = μo*I/2π * sqrt(a2-3b2)/ab

So if everyone says what I posted is correct, then the logic is fine and I just have to find the mistake leading up to the answer.
 
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Ignitia said:
The answer was

B = μo*I*a/2πb2

I got it down to

B = μo*I/2π * sqrt(a2-3b2)/ab

So if everyone says what I posted is correct, then the logic is fine and I just have to find the mistake leading up to the answer.
Edit: I get ## B=(\frac{\mu_oI }{2 \pi})(\frac{\sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{ ab}) ##. Unless we all made the same mistake, I think the book just might have an incorrect answer. ## \\ ## Also the book's answer makes no sense. When ## a ## is large, their answer becomes large. ## \\ ## For large ## a ##, you get ## B=\frac{\mu_o I}{2 \pi \, b } ## , just as you should. (The ## 3b^2 ## doesn't work for ## a \approx b ##. I originally had the same answer too, until I double-checked the last step).
 
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Charles Link said:
Edit: I get ## B=(\frac{\mu_oI }{2 \pi})(\frac{\sqrt{a^2-b^2}}{ ab}) ##. Unless we all made the same mistake, I think the book just might have an incorrect answer. ## \\ ## Also the book's answer makes no sense. When ## a ## is large, their answer becomes large. ## \\ ## For large ## a ##, you get ## B=\frac{\mu_o I}{2 \pi \, b } ## , just as you should. (The ## 3b^2 ## doesn't work for ## a \approx b ##. I originally had the same answer too, until I double-checked the last step).

The book could be wrong - it's happened before. Thanks for checking.
 
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