Magnetohydrodynamic Generator (POPTOR 2005)

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The discussion centers on the operation of a Magnetohydrodynamic Generator (specifically the POPTOR 2005 model) that utilizes a parallel-plate capacitor immersed in a conductive liquid. The key parameters include the conductivity (\sigma), surface area (S), distance between plates (d), liquid velocity (v), and magnetic field (B). The current flowing through a resistor (R) connected to the capacitor is determined by the voltage generated, which is vBd, and must account for the internal resistance of the conductive fluid. The internal resistance is crucial as it completes the circuit, affecting the total resistance and current according to Ohm's law.

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There was an interesting problem that appeared in POPTOR 2005:

A generator consists of a parallel-plate capacitor immersed in a stream of conductive liquid with conductivity \sigma. The surface area of a capacitor's plate is S, the distance between the plates is d. A liquid flows with constant velocity v parallel to the plates. The capacitor is in a uniform magnetic field B, which is perpendicular to the velocity and parallel to the plates. If the plates are connected to a resistor R, what is the current that flows through the resistor?

I understand that the free charges inside the conductive liquid will feel a magnetic force, and thus begin "build up" on the plates. "Build up" is in quotation marks because I think that the charges are still moving with the liquid flow, but are right up against the plates. This will continue until an electrostatic field is established that perfectly cancels out the magnetic forces acting on the free charges in the moving fluids. Thus the voltage of the capacitor by itself would be vBd. I would then divide that voltage by R to get the current through the resistor.
However, the solution that POPTOR gives is that the capacitor is in series with both R and the "internal resistance" of the fluid. Why does the resistance of the fluid matter? The voltage between the two plates is vBd regardless of the fluid inside.
 
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EFuzzy said:
However, the solution that POPTOR gives is that the capacitor is in series with both R and the "internal resistance" of the fluid. Why does the resistance of the fluid matter? The voltage between the two plates is vBd regardless of the fluid inside.

It would be because the fluid is the final resistor that completes the circuit. Every voltage source has an "internal resistance" in series with it's electromotive force and it should be included for Ohm's law to accurately determine the resistance of the circuit.
 
I guess the problem is that I don't fully understand how the internal resistance works. The voltage difference from one plate to the other is going to be vBd, so why does it matter what's going on between the plates? All the resistor will notice is that the capacitor provides some constant voltage.
 
EFuzzy said:
I guess the problem is that I don't fully understand how the internal resistance works. The voltage difference from one plate to the other is going to be vBd, so why does it matter what's going on between the plates? All the resistor will notice is that the capacitor provides some constant voltage.

I should perhaps say, that I'm just having a shrewd guess at thinks here, so I welcome other opinions as well.

It is correct that the capacitor supplies a constant voltage, but the emf still has to overcome the resistance in the fluid, just like a conventional generator has to overcome the resistance in the copper wires in the coils. It matters not very much where in the circut the emf is generated, the total resistance is still the sum of all serial resistances in the circiut.
 

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