Magnets, Outer space, and Rings

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the scenario of an astronaut releasing a round magnet into space and observing the behavior of tiny iron filings in its vicinity. Participants explore whether a ring structure could form around the magnet under various conditions, including the magnet's motion and the arrangement of multiple magnets.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a previous consensus that no ring would form around a stationary magnet, with some dissenting opinions.
  • Another participant suggests that a ring system could develop if the conditions allow for stable circulation of particles, implying that certain topologies might prevent dynamic interactions and collisions.
  • There is a reference to a previous discussion thread that may contain related insights or conclusions.
  • The possibility of different outcomes, such as the formation of a ring if the magnet is spinning or if multiple magnets are used, is raised but not resolved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on whether a ring can form around the magnet, with multiple competing views and scenarios being proposed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by assumptions about the behavior of particles in magnetic fields and the specific conditions under which the experiment is conducted, which remain unresolved.

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Awhile back there was a discussion about the following scenario: an astronaut sets free into space outside his window a round magnet so it just sits there a distance away ensuring the spaceship has no effect on the experiment. Then he wafts out gently a large pail of tiny iron filings and dust in the direction of the magnet and watches to see if a ring (ala Saturn) forms around the magnet at just the right distance from it. I believe the consensus was that no ring would form and that some filings would drift away and the rest cling to the magnet though there were dissenters. But I can’t remember if a different outcome, a ring, would form if the magnet was spinning or any other scenario where the ring would form. For instance if there were two magnet balls separated a short distance from one another or if they were bar magnets. So, the question is: is there any scenario where the ring would form?
 
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James William Hall said:
So, the question is: is there any scenario where the ring would form?
Any situation that supports circulation of particles, like in an orbit, must develop a ring system. That is the only topology that can avoid dynamic interactions and collisions, that is, once it has stabilised.
 
Berkeman, thank you for the thread.
 
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