Magnets with Halbach array in an AC generator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the use of Halbach array magnets in the design of a 2-phase AC generator, specifically exploring the implications of their magnetic field configuration on electromagnetic induction. Participants examine the suitability of different types of magnets for this application, including countersunk neodymium magnets and alternative cylindrical magnets.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their project involving an AC generator and questions whether Halbach array magnets can be effectively used in a 2-phase configuration, seeking guidance on coil orientation.
  • Another participant suggests that the Halbach array may not be suitable for the intended application, noting that the rotor design needs to radiate alternating N and S fields effectively.
  • Details about the specific countersunk magnets are provided, including their magnetic strength and orientation, which may affect their usability in the generator design.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of the countersunk magnets for a two-pole alternator, suggesting that a different type of magnet may be necessary.
  • One participant proposes using a rectangular block of iron between two magnets to optimize the rotor design, indicating a potential solution for the magnetic field configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement about the suitability of the countersunk magnets for the AC generator application, with some suggesting alternative magnet types. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for further clarification on the magnetic field orientation and the physical characteristics of the magnets, indicating that assumptions about their use may depend on specific configurations and designs.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in DIY projects involving electromagnetic induction, AC generator design, or those exploring the application of Halbach arrays in practical scenarios may find this discussion relevant.

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As a project, I am demonstrating electromagnetic induction by making an AC generator. The magnets I currently have access to are very strong neodymimium countersunk magnets, but I noticed that they utilise a Halbach array. I am aware that this means the magnet has alternating N-S poles spaced together, creating a stronger field on one side.

I assume the magnet and rotor would be something like the diagram below (there might be more "central" fields in mine)

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Given this, can the magnets be used in a 2-phase AC generator? If yes, how would the surrounding coils have to be oriented?
 
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The PM field for an alternator rotor needs to radiate large N and S fields outwards, alternating through the coils as it rotates. You show a rotor with only half that field, rotating the array sideways. Maybe the Halbach array is not the best way to go.

We need a better picture of the countersunk magnets available, with the poles marked on the surface, then construction of the rotor can be optimised.
 
The countersunk magnets appear to be designed to hold tight onto a flat metal plate. That looks like one pole is around the centre hole, with the other pole around the outside of the same face, with the gap between poles filled by plastic. You can check that by feeling the poles with an iron wire like a paper clip, and/or a magnetic compass to identify the polarity.

I don't think those magnets can be used conveniently for a two pole alternator.
 
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Baluncore said:
The countersunk magnets appear to be designed to hold tight onto a flat metal plate. That looks like one pole is around the centre hole, with the other pole around the outside of the same face, with the gap between poles filled by plastic. You can check that by feeling the poles with an iron wire like a paper clip, and/or a magnetic compass to identify the polarity.

I don't think those magnets can be used conveniently for a two pole alternator.
I think I might have to order a regular 2-pole cylindrical magnet then. Thanks for the reply!
 
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Baluncore said:
The countersunk magnets appear to be designed to hold tight onto a flat metal plate. That looks like one pole is around the centre hole, with the other pole around the outside of the same face, with the gap between poles filled by plastic. You can check that by feeling the poles with an iron wire like a paper clip, and/or a magnetic compass to identify the polarity.

I don't think those magnets can be used conveniently for a two pole alternator.
Do you think these magnets could work?: https://www.amazon.nl/gp/product/B00F9A0P6U/

The N-S poles are on each of the 40 mm x 20 mm sides
 
Manuel12 said:
Do you think these magnets could work?
Yes.
If the rotor shaft will pass through the rotor, then you will need two magnets, one on each side of the shaft. You will need a rectangular block of iron between the two magnets, with a hole drilled to take the shaft.

A segment of an iron cylinder should be attached to the outside of each magnet to make the outer surface of the rotor poles a cylinder. That will reduce the gap between the rotor and the stator.
 
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