Magnitude of the angular acceleration about the pivot point?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of angular acceleration for a uniform horizontal rod pivoting about one end, influenced by an applied force and gravitational force. Participants are examining the relationship between torque, moment of inertia, and angular acceleration in the context of rotational dynamics.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of moment of inertia and torque, questioning how to relate the applied force and gravitational force to find angular acceleration. There is exploration of the correct moment of inertia formula and how to account for gravitational torque.

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Guidance has been provided regarding the need to calculate net torque and consider both applied and gravitational forces. Participants are actively exploring different interpretations of the forces at play and how they contribute to the overall torque affecting angular acceleration.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of the problem, including the need to consider the pivot point's effect on moment of inertia and the specific angles involved in the applied force. There is an emphasis on ensuring that all forces are accounted for in the torque calculations.

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[SOLVED] Magnitude of the angular acceleration about the pivot point?

Homework Statement



A uniform horizontal rod of mass 2.7 kg and length 2.4 m is free to pivot about one end as shown. The moment of inertia of the rod about an axis perpendicular to the rod and through the center of mass is given by I=ml^2/12

If 4 N force at an angle of 64 degrees to the horizontal acts on the rod as shown, what is the magnitude of the resulting angular acceleration about the pivot point? The acceleration of gravity is 9:8 m/s^2 : Answer in units of rad/s^2

Homework Equations



I=(2.7*(2.4)^2)/12

F=4N=2.7*a


The Attempt at a Solution



I=(2.7*(2.4)^2)/12=1.296

F=4N=2.7*a

How do I figure out the magnitude of a? or [tex]\alpha[/tex]?

I just can't understand how to relate the F and the I, I would think the magnitue of a was sin(64).
 

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tsnikpoh11 said:
I=(2.7*(2.4)^2)/12
That's the moment of inertia through the center of the rod; what you need is the moment of inertia about the pivot point.
F=4N=2.7*a
That would be true if 4N were the net force acting on the rod, but it's not. For this problem, what you need to find is the torque that this force produces.

Find the net torque on the rod about the pivot point. I assume you need to take into account the force of gravity acting on the rod as well as the applied force.

Then you can use Newton's 2nd law for rotation to find the angular acceleration.
 
So Net torque would = 2.4 *4(sin64)=8.628? or the net force is 9.81 down - 8.832 up? = -.968 Net force?

How do I account for gravity?

So the moment of Inertia would be (ML^2)/3 which is I=(2.7*(2.4)^2)/3 = 5.184, but how does it work into Newtons second law, and how does it help me solve angular acceleration?
 
tsnikpoh11 said:
So Net torque would = 2.4 *4(sin64)=8.628?
That's the counter-clockwise torque due to the 4 N force. But is that the only force acting on the rod?
or the net force is 9.81 down - 8.832 up? = -.968 Net force?
:confused:
How do I account for gravity?
What's the weight of the rod? Where does it act?

So the moment of Inertia would be (ML^2)/3 which is I=(2.7*(2.4)^2)/3 = 5.184, but how does it work into Newtons second law, and how does it help me solve angular acceleration?
Newton's 2nd law for rotational motion:

[tex]\tau = I \alpha[/tex]
 
Ohhhhh, ok so its 8.628+-gravity/5.184 ? t/I? Would the force down due to gravity be mg(l/2)= force of gravity? if so do I subtract that from the 8.628 force up? so the force of gravity is 31.704 and the torque up is 8.628? Then would I have to convert that answer to radians?
 
tsnikpoh11 said:
Ohhhhh, ok so its 8.628+-gravity/5.184 ? t/I?
Right.
Would the force down due to gravity be mg(l/2)= force of gravity?
That will be the clockwise torque due to gravity.
if so do I subtract that from the 8.628 force up? so the force of gravity is 31.704 and the torque up is 8.628?
You would subtract the clockwise torque from the counter-clockwise torque.
Then would I have to convert that answer to radians?
Since you are using standard units (kg, N, m), the angular acceleration will be in rad/s^2. No need to convert.
 
Awesome! Thank you so much.
 

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