Make a conjecture about the sum? Confused on what they want exactly

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a sum for specific values of n and making a conjecture about a general formula for the sum. Participants are exploring the concept of conjectures and how to derive a formula based on observed patterns in the sums.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss adding fractions to identify patterns in the sums for n = 1 to 5. There is a focus on recognizing relationships between numerators and denominators, as well as the role of factorials in the denominators. Questions arise about the nature of conjectures and how to formulate them correctly.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights about patterns and factorials. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of conjectures and the use of mathematical induction, but there remains a lack of consensus on the exact conjecture to propose.

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There is confusion regarding the definition of a conjecture and the constraints of the original sum, particularly about changing the limits of summation. Participants are also grappling with how to express their findings in a mathematically rigorous way.

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Hello everyone,

I'm confused on the directions. It says, Evalute the sum, for n = 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Make a conjecture about a formula for this sume for general n, and prove your conjecture by mathematical induction.

This is the sum and my work:
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/9551/2pq2.jpg I'm having a hard time figuring out that formula, and what exactly is a conjecture? In the other readings and this one they don't say anything about a conjecture.

I was thinking that maybe they just want me to place an n where the k is?
like n/(n+1)! ?

Thanks!
 
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Why don't you actually add up the fractions? You should see a pattern emerge.
 
I kind of see a pattern at the very last 2 terms,
it goes from 119/120 to 719/720, the numerator is incremented by 600 and the denominator also by 600.
But before that it goes
n = 1
1/2
n = 2
5/6
n = 3
23/24
n = 4
119/120
n = 5
719/120
n = 6

if i keep going i get
n = 7
2519/2520

Oo i see it now hah...

The denominator is +1 the numerator
but if i use n that won't work for all cases.
n/n+1, n >= 1

Is there a technique to approach conjectures? I see the pattern but i don't see how n is producing the numbers.
 
The denominators are 1,2,6,24,120,... Do you recognize these?
 
I know they are factorials, like
1! = 1
2! = 1*2 = 2
3! = 1*2*3 = 6
4! = 1*2*3*4 = 24
5! = 1*2*3*4*5 = 120

which is 1/n!
 
I think i got it, am i allowed to write the following?

Let n be an integer, where n >= 2 such that Sumnation k = 2 to n (n!-1)/n!

THis also doesn't work i just saw, because i can't change the orginal sum, which is letting k = 1, i can't just change it can i?

Is this what a conjecture is? I'm guessing the pattern of the output and I must prove the right and left are equal?

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/5030/lastscanrf1.jpg
 
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Well then just use (n+1)! instead of n!. By "conjecture" they mean find a formula that seems right (works for low numbers). Then you need to prove the formula is correct using induction.
 
Ahh yes! it works, thanks a ton Status! :smile:
 

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