Making Sense of Oxides in Hot Working

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The discussion revolves around the effects of different oxides on the properties of metals during hot working, specifically focusing on whether oxides like MgO influence the characteristics of materials such as aluminum and steel. Participants explore the relationship between oxides and material properties, including potential benefits and drawbacks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the differing effects of various oxides on materials, specifically asking if MgO imparts different properties to aluminum compared to steel.
  • Another participant suggests that while oxides behave similarly in different alloys, they can lead to dispersion strengthening.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the potential for oxides to cause brittleness in metals, particularly magnesium oxides in aluminum.
  • It is noted that at certain levels, oxides may negatively affect desirable properties such as strength and toughness.

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Participants express differing views on the effects of oxides, with some suggesting beneficial properties while others highlight potential detrimental effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific impacts of different oxides on various metals.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the specific conditions under which oxides may be beneficial or detrimental, as well as the lack of a comprehensive catalog for oxide properties across different materials.

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Hello,

I'm working on material transfer during hot working. My chemistry isn't to good. Could anyone explain if different oxides give different properties to different materials. Say MgO, would it give a different property to Aluminium from that it would give say Steel?

If so is there anyway I can find out what property an oxide gives as in is there like a catalog?

Thanks
 
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Oxides will be chemically different in different alloys, but they generally have the same behavior - dispersion strengthening.

See - High-Strength Aluminum P/M Alloys
http://nonferrous.keytometals.com/default.aspx?ID=CheckArticle&NM=62

More generally - Nonferrous alloys
http://nonferrous.keytometals.com/default.aspx?ID=Articles

For steel - http://steel.keytometals.com/default.aspx?ID=Articles

The Strengthening of Iron and Steel
http://steel.keytometals.com/default.aspx?ID=CheckArticle&NM=107
 
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Thanks, but is it possible for oxides to make a metal brittle? Say Magnesium oxides in Al?
 
darkelf said:
Thanks, but is it possible for oxides to make a metal brittle? Say Magnesium oxides in Al?
Sure. At some level the oxides are not beneficial but detrimental to the desirable properties, such as strength and toughness.

See this - Dispersion strengthened metals and alloys
 

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