Man holding weight, rotating and bringing them closer

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The problem involves a man on a rotating chair holding weights and changing their distance from the axis of rotation. It explores concepts related to angular momentum and kinetic energy in a rotational dynamics context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of angular momentum and its implications for the system's behavior as the weights are pulled closer. Questions arise regarding the formulation of work done and the consistency of dimensions in the equations presented.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions and checking for accuracy. Some have pointed out potential errors in the equations and are seeking clarification on the correct approach to eliminate variables and ensure dimensional consistency.

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There appears to be confusion regarding the conservation principles being applied, specifically distinguishing between linear momentum and angular momentum. Additionally, there are references to missing constants in the equations, which may affect the calculations.

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[/B]A man sits on a rotating chair. the moment of inertia of them both is Im. he holds two weights m, each in a spread out hand, and rotates at frequency f1. the distance each mass from the chair's axis is r1. he then pulls his hands closer, each to r2.
What's the new f2 and the work done.

Homework Equations


Conservation of momentum: ##m_1v_1+m_2v_2=m_1v_1'+m_2v_2'##
Kinetic energy of a solid body: ##E_k=\frac{1}{2}I\omega^2=\frac{1}{2}I4\pi^2 f^2##

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Conservation of momentum:
$$(I_m+2mr_2^2)f_2^2=(I_m+2mr_1^2)f_1^2~~\rightarrow~~f_2^2=\frac{I_m+2mr_1^2}{I_m+2mr_2^2}f_1^2$$
$$W=\Delta E=\frac{1}{2}[I_2\omega_2^2-I_1\omega_1^2]=2\pi m(f_2^2r_2^2-f_1^1r_1^2)$$
 
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You are using the conservation of angular momentum, not the conservation of momentum. Apart from that, what is your question?
 
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For the work done, you dropped a pi, making a slight mess.
Since f2 is not a given, I think you should eliminate it from the expression for work done.
 
$$W=\Delta E=\frac{4\pi^2 m}{2}(I_2f_2^2-I_1f_1^2)=...=\frac{[(1-2m)I_m+2mr_2](r_2^2-r_1^2)}{I_m+2mr_2^2}2\pi^2 mf_1^2$$
It looks bad since the dimensions aren't consistent, i will check again
 
$$W=\Delta E=\frac{4\pi^2 m}{2}(I_2f_2^2-I_1f_1^2)=...=2\pi^2 (r_1^2-r_2^2)\frac{mI_m}{I_m+2mr_2^2}f_1^2$$
 
Karol said:
$$W=\Delta E=\frac{4\pi^2 m}{2}(I_2f_2^2-I_1f_1^2)=...=2\pi^2 (r_1^2-r_2^2)\frac{mI_m}{I_m+2mr_2^2}f_1^2$$
I think you mean (r22-r12). Other than that, looks right.
 
Thank you Haruspex and Orodruin
 

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