Mandelstam Variables for 2->2 Scattering with Equal Masses in CoM Frame

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The discussion revolves around the Mandelstam variables in the context of 2-to-2 scattering processes with equal masses in the center-of-mass frame. Participants explore the relationships between momenta, angles of scattering, and the Mandelstam variables, while addressing conservation laws and calculations related to differential cross-sections.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether all four three-momenta are equal in magnitude or if they simply sum to zero separately for incoming and outgoing particles.
  • Conservation laws are emphasized, with participants noting that both energy and momentum must be conserved in the scattering process.
  • One participant presents a formula for one of the incoming momenta in terms of the Mandelstam variables and seeks guidance on expressing the scattering angle in similar terms.
  • Another participant asserts that in the center-of-momentum frame, the magnitudes of all four three-momenta should be the same due to equal masses and conservation laws, while others challenge this assertion.
  • Expressions for the Mandelstam variables \(s\), \(t\), and \(u\) are derived, with participants discussing their implications and relationships to the scattering angle.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correct forms of equations and whether certain simplifications or expansions are appropriate in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether all four three-momenta have the same magnitude; some participants agree with this assertion while others contest it. The discussion includes multiple competing views on the relationships between the Mandelstam variables and the scattering angle, as well as differing opinions on the appropriate steps for calculations.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of conservation laws and the implications of their derived equations. Some calculations are noted to be complex, and there are references to potential errors in earlier statements about the relationships between the variables.

  • #31
I'd put ##u=4m^2-s-t##. Then the cross section depends only on ##s## and ##t##. As shown above through ##t## the expression depends on the scattering angle ##\vartheta##. Then you can check, where the expression at fixed ##s=E_{\text{cm}}^2## is maximal as a function of ##t## and thus which angles dominate.
 
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  • #32
vanhees71 said:
I'd put ##u=4m^2-s-t##. Then the cross section depends only on ##s## and ##t##. As shown above through ##t## the expression depends on the scattering angle ##\vartheta##. Then you can check, where the expression at fixed ##s=E_{\text{cm}}^2## is maximal as a function of ##t## and thus which angles dominate.

Ah! I see!

So, you suggest the following:

##\displaystyle{\frac{d\sigma}{d\theta} = \frac{|\mathcal{M}|^{2}}{64\pi^{2}E_{\text{cm}}^{2}}}##

##\displaystyle{= \frac{g^{4}}{64\pi^{2}E_{\text{cm}}^{2}}\left|\frac{i}{s-m^{2}} + \frac{i}{t-m^{2}} + \frac{i}{u-m^{2}}\right|^{2}}##

##\displaystyle{= \frac{g^{4}}{64\pi^{2}s}\left(\frac{1}{s-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{t-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{u-m^{2}}\right)^{2}}##

##\displaystyle{= \frac{g^{4}}{64\pi^{2}s}\left(\frac{1}{s-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{t-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{(4m^{2}-s-t)-m^{2}}\right)^{2}}##

##\displaystyle{= \frac{g^{4}}{64\pi^{2}s}\left(\frac{1}{s-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{t-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{3m^{2}-s-t}\right)^{2}}##

##\displaystyle{\frac{d\sigma}{d\theta} = \frac{g^{4}}{64\pi^{2}s}\left(\frac{1}{s-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{-\sqrt{s-4m^{2}}(1-\cos\theta)-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{3m^{2}-s+\sqrt{s-4m^{2}}(1-\cos\theta)}\right)^{2}}##

For ##s\gg \sqrt{m}##,

##\displaystyle{\frac{d\sigma}{d\theta} = \frac{g^{4}}{64\pi^{2}s}\left(\frac{1}{s} + \frac{1}{-\sqrt{s}(1-\cos\theta)-m^{2}} + \frac{1}{-s+\sqrt{s}(1-\cos\theta)}\right)^{2}}##

So, the differential cross-section, for a fixed ##s##, is a maximum at angles ##\theta = 2\pi n##, where ##n=0, \pm 1, \pm 2, \dots##.

What do you think?
 
  • #33
I think the square root looks wrong and the expression is dimensionally inconsistent.
 

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