Many Paths = Huygens’ Principle?

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The discussion centers on the comparison between Feynman's many-paths formulation in quantum mechanics and Huygens' principle in classical wave theory. Participants explore the theoretical implications, applications, and foundational differences between these concepts.

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  • One participant questions how Feynman's many-paths differs from Huygens' principle, suggesting that both can be interpreted as viewing points in space-time as sources for further paths with interference effects.
  • Another participant notes that Huygens' principle influenced Schrödinger's derivation of the wave equation, indicating a historical connection between the two theories while asserting their fundamental differences.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that Feynman's formulation is a complete description of quantum mechanics, contrasting it with Huygens' principle, which is described as an intuitive guide and an approximation lacking clarity on boundary conditions.
  • One participant reiterates the initial question, expressing the belief that Feynman expanded upon Huygens' principle, suggesting a similarity in their foundational ideas.

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Participants express differing opinions on the relationship between Feynman's many-paths and Huygens' principle. Some see them as fundamentally different, while others argue for their conceptual similarities, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight limitations in Huygens' principle, such as its vagueness regarding boundary conditions and the "inclination factor," which may affect interpretations of its applicability compared to Feynman's formulation.

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Can someone tell me how Feynman’s many-paths differs from Huygens’ principle?

Huygens: “All points on a wavefront can be considered as point sources for the production of spherical secondary wavelets. After a time t the new position of the wavefront will be the surface of tangency to these secondary wavelets.” [Halliday & Resnick]

That sure sounds to me like different wording for the many-paths. All points in space-time can be regarded as point sources for further paths in space-time, with constructive or destructive interference amplitudes to any subsequent points, etc.
 
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Huygens' principle guided Schrödinger derive his wave-equation and thus the birth of wave mechanics as a theory of quantum/quanta mechanics. Feynman built a whole theory upon an idea by Dirac who, I believe, was also inspired in a way by the Huygens' principle in classical waves theory. So yes, you can make a parallel between the seemingly related, but fundamentally different theories.
 
Big difference. Feynman's is a formulation of quantum mechanics, meant to be a complete and accurate description, while Huygens' is only a guiding principle -- an aid to intuition and at best an approximation.

Huygens is incomplete -- it's vague on the boundary conditions to be employed, and leaves undetermined an "inclination factor" describing the variation with direction of the amplitude of the secondary waves.
 
exmarine said:
Can someone tell me how Feynman’s many-paths differs from Huygens’ principle?

Huygens: “All points on a wavefront can be considered as point sources for the production of spherical secondary wavelets. After a time t the new position of the wavefront will be the surface of tangency to these secondary wavelets.” [Halliday & Resnick]

That sure sounds to me like different wording for the many-paths. All points in space-time can be regarded as point sources for further paths in space-time, with constructive or destructive interference amplitudes to any subsequent points, etc.


It seems to me that they are basically the same. Feynman took the idea further and widened the realm of applicability.
 

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