Exploring Huygens' Principle: Odd # Spatial Dimensions & Beyond

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The discussion revolves around Huygens' principle, particularly its applicability in various spatial dimensions and general space-times. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and connections to other principles in physics, such as Fermat's principle and quantum electrodynamics (QED). The scope includes theoretical and conceptual inquiries rather than practical applications or homework-related questions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Huygens' principle is valid in general space-times, noting that it is often associated with the homogeneity of space.
  • Another participant references Jacques Hadamard's observation that Huygens' principle is broken in even spatial dimensions, prompting further inquiry into its validity in odd dimensions.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of deriving Huygens' principle from Fermat's principle or Hamilton's principle in the context of geometric optics, with one participant expressing uncertainty about handling diffraction with Hamilton's principle.
  • Several participants share links to external resources that may provide additional insights or derivations related to Huygens' principle and its applications in curved spacetimes and higher dimensions.
  • One participant mentions the relevance of Feynman's "sum of all possible paths" approach to QED, suggesting a potential connection to Huygens' principle.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of Huygens' principle in various dimensions and space-times. There is no consensus on whether it holds in general space-times or how it relates to other principles, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of homogeneity and dimensionality, as well as unresolved mathematical steps regarding the derivation of Huygens' principle from other principles. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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A spin-off from another thread. I consulted a couple of my GR textbooks on Huygens' principle, and found little. Wiki had a little information, which said that it could be regarded as a consequence of the homogeneity of space-time, and "In 1900, Jacques Hadamard observed that Huygens' principle was broken when the number of spatial dimensions is even.".

So some of my questions are:

1) Does Huygens principle work in general space-times? (Wiki states that "Huygens' principle can be seen as a consequence of the homogeneity of space", but I wouldn't think a general space time would necessarily be homogenous).

2) How would one write the principle in an explicitly covariant manner?

3) In the limit of geometric optics, can Huygen's principle be logically be derived from Fermat's principle of "stationary optical path length" or Hamilton's principle principle of "stationary action"? And what about the reverse? (I ask about the geometric limit because I don't see how one would handle diffraction with Hamilton's principle).

On a related note, I am reminded of Feynman's "sum of all possible paths" approach to QED, I suspect there might be a relation. But I don't want to drag the thread too far afield.

4) Why does Huygen's principle only work for an odd number of spatial dimensions?
 
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Before going into curved spacetime look at usual electrodynamics. There you see that it works for massless fields in even-dimensional Minkowski spacetimes. For a derivation, see

S. Hassani, Mathematical Physics, Springer
 
Possibly useful (I haven't read any of it):

http://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...-valid-in-an-odd-number-of-spatial-dimensions
http://www.math.uAlberta.ca/~xinweiyu/527.1.08f/lec17.pdf
http://www.math.utk.edu/~freire/teaching/m435s14/WaveEquationExamples.pdf

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/microsites/maths/research/preprints/papers02/02-49.pdf (brief review)

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/129215/huygens-principle-in-curved-spacetimes
http://www.math.utah.edu/~chu/Talks/HuygensPrinciple/GravityGroup.pdf

https://books.google.com/books?id=R...pg=PA222&dq=huygens+friedlander+wave+equation
http://projecteuclid.org/euclid.bams/1183555741
https://books.google.com/books?id=X6viBQAAQBAJ Huygens' Principle and Hyperbolic Equations - Paul Günther

http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jmp/18/11/10.1063/1.523192
JMP 18, 2125 (1977)
A necessary condition for the validity of Huygens’ principle on a curved space–time - Riccardo Goldoni

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00760104
GRG 17, 15 (1985)
Cauchy's problem and Huygens' principle for relativistic higher spin wave equations in an arbitrary curved space-time - Volkmar Wünsch
(I had an interest in such a question a while back... but haven't really followed up on it.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!s...ce/sci.math.research/zYMRH6ADAxc/Ba95dnyHy-IJ )
 
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