Deriving the Law of Reflection from Huygens Principle

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The discussion centers on deriving the law of reflection using Huygens' principle, exploring the relationship between wave and ray models. Participants examine the implications of wavelets, the behavior of wave fronts upon reflection, and the geometric reasoning involved in the derivation process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the representation of arrows in Figure 33.34, suggesting they indicate ray directions rather than polarizations.
  • Another participant questions how wavelets change direction upon hitting a surface and seeks clarification on the geometric reasoning behind the reflection process.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of explanation regarding the behavior of wavelets and the meaning of certain terms in the text, such as "to the left of it" and "the full lines."
  • There is a discussion about the choice of point P on wave front AA' for constructing triangles in the proof, with one participant confirming that any point can be chosen without affecting the resulting angles.
  • One participant mentions the parallel nature of Fermat's principle with Huygens' principle, noting the minimal transit time for rays in both theories.
  • Another participant shares an alternative explanation regarding the phase delay of wavelets striking a mirror and its role in producing a reflected beam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of confusion regarding the derivation process and the behavior of wavelets, indicating that multiple competing views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

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Participants highlight limitations in the explanations provided in the source material, particularly regarding the assumptions made about wavelet behavior and the geometric constructions used in the proof.

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Attached is section 33.7 from my book, which introduces Huygen's principle in order to derive the law of reflection. I am more used to the ray model rather than the wave model, so I'm constantly going to try to relate everything back to rays. Making this connection also helps with completeness of understanding. I believe that the model we are using for this derivation is the wave model. I could be wrong.

Firstly, regarding Figure 33.34, I believe the arrows attached the the wave fronts do not represent polarizations but are instead the directions the rays would be if we want to think back to the ray model. I hope this is right because I would like that to be true.

So if I understand this properly, if we apply Huygen's principle, each wave front is made from the envelope of small wavelets emerging from the previous wave front. When the wave front hits the surface, the wavelets change direction. I'm not sure how.

So wave front AA' has not yet been reflected. But the future wave front BOB', made up of the wavelets of AA' has a part that has been bent by the surface. How did the wavelets of BO end up in that exact direction, as if they are emerging from the surface rather than the previous wave front? Is there some sort of geometric explanation, or are there some hidden assumptions about how the wavelets are supposed to behave?One problem I have with this section is the paragraph that starts with "The effect of the reflecting surface". They say the surface changes the direction of the wave, but they don't say how. The wavelets to the left of point O strike the reflecting surface, and then what? And then they say in that same sentence: "so the part of a wavelet that would have penetrated the surface actually lies to the left of it, as shown by the full lines". I have no clue what they mean by "to the left of it" or what "the full lines" are. Does this have to do with the mysterious continuation of the wavefront under the interface (the continuation of the line B'O) , even though we can see the part that has clearly been reflected?

Next, in Figure 33.34 (b) they construct the line OP = vt. Is this decision to start at the starting point P on the wave front AA' rather than some other point arbitrary? Can somebody explain? Well the point is to construct a triangle on both sides for the proof. They finish the proof by constructing another triangle on the left which leads to ##\theta_r = \theta_a##. But they never gave any justification for the orientation of OB that they drew in the figure. So they constructed the picture just right without justification to derive the law of reflection? Is that right?
 

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Like you I find it difficult to follow the logic of finding the direction of OB.
When a wave front hits a mirror, the wavelets strike the mirror one after the other, with a phase delay (or time delay) between them. This phase delay is correct to produce a reflected beam in the required direction, having an equi-phase wavefront, in the manner of an antenna array.
 
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Like you I find it difficult to follow the logic of finding the direction of OB.
When a wave front hits a mirror, the wavelets strike the mirror one after the other, with a phase delay (or time delay) between them. This phase delay is correct to produce a reflected beam in the required direction, having an equi-phase wavefront, in the manner of an antenna array.
Glad to know I'm not alone. Thanks for your alternative explanation
 
Fermat's principle tends to run in parallel with Huygens - minimal transit time for the path of the 'ray' applies in both theories.
 
First picture here - except the folding and the different ##v##.
 
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rtareen said:
Is this decision to start at the starting point P on the wave front AA' rather than some other point arbitrary?
Yes you can coose any point P along AA'. It won't change the resulting angles, it will just scale the diagram.

Step by step animation (reflection starts at 3:00 min):

 

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