Many-Worlds, Inflation & Dark Energy

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The discussion revolves around the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics and its potential connections to cosmological concepts such as inflation and dark energy. Participants explore whether MWI could provide insights into the nature of the universe's expansion and the quantization of branching events within quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether MWI makes any testable predictions related to inflation or dark energy, suggesting that without such predictions, its validity remains uncertain.
  • Others argue that all interpretations of quantum mechanics, including MWI, yield the same predictions, emphasizing that they are interpretations rather than theories.
  • A participant raises the question of whether the branching in MWI occurs continuously or is quantized, indicating a lack of clarity on this aspect.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the continuous formulation of quantum mechanics and its potential unphysical solutions, with some suggesting these may indicate deeper truths about the nature of observations.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the relevance of MWI to cosmological phenomena, suggesting that it may not provide answers to modern cosmological questions.
  • Another participant inquires about the possibility of a quantum mechanics formulation that does not assume an asymptotically empty universe, highlighting concerns about the implications of infinite matter in an infinite universe.
  • There is a suggestion that many assumptions in quantum mechanics are made for mathematical convenience, which raises questions about their physical validity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between MWI and cosmological concepts like inflation and dark energy. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the implications of MWI and the nature of quantum branching.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of testable predictions from MWI, unresolved questions about the nature of branching events, and the assumptions made in quantum mechanics regarding the universe's structure.

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Are there any predictions made by the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM that could be ascribed to inflation and or dark energy? In other words, could the hypothetical branching cause our universe to expand?
 
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MWI does not make ANY testable predictions. There are proponents of the MWI that wish very much that it DID so that they could show that it's real, but there are others who doubt it actually describes any reality. As long as there are no testable predictions, it's going to be impossible to tell one way or the other.
 
tionis said:
Are there any predictions made by the Many-Worlds interpretation of QM that could be ascribed to inflation and or dark energy? In other words, could the hypothetical branching cause our universe to expand?

All interpretations of quantum mechanics make the same predictions. That is why we call them interpretations, and not theories.
 
phinds said:
MWI does not make ANY testable predictions. There are proponents of the MWI that wish very much that it DID so that they could show that it's real, but there are others who doubt it actually describes any reality. As long as there are no testable predictions, it's going to be impossible to tell one way or the other.

The_Duck said:
All interpretations of quantum mechanics make the same predictions. That is why we call them interpretations, and not theories.

OK. What I'm asking is: do these ''branchings'' occur continuously and smooth or are they quantized (i.e. a branching cannot occur until certain energy conditions are met)?
 
tionis said:
OK. What I'm asking is: do these ''branchings'' occur continuously and smooth or are they quantized (i.e. a branching cannot occur until certain energy conditions are met)?

We don't really know.

The continuous formulation of QM via Rigged Hilbert Spaces (it's the correct formulation - the Hilbert Space formulation has issues with stuff like Dirac Delta Functions etc that's used in practice) has unphysical things like solutions that are not zero at infinity. Are these simply things introduced for mathematical convenience (that's my view) or is it trying to tell us something deeper touching on the outcomes of observations are fundamentally discreet in some way.

Thanks
Bill
 
Thanks, bhobba. You said ''we don't know,'' but do we know if inflation or the exponential expansion of the universe (dark energy) have an analog value corresponding to any quantum phenomena associated with the MWI? For example: a certain numerical value of such and such MWI action (unknown to me, obviously lol) is similar to the value of this (insert value here) inflationary or dark energy process? In other words, is there a logical place in the MWI to assume that the inflation/now expanding accelerating phase of the universe comes in quantized chunks? Make sense?
 
tionis said:
but do we know if inflation or the exponential expansion of the universe (dark energy)

Right now we do not know the origins of dark matter/energy. Things will probably be clearer in say 10 years time - but right now we do not know.

tionis said:
have an analog value corresponding to any quantum phenomena associated with the MWI? For example: a certain numerical value of such and such MWI action (unknown to me, obviously lol) is similar to the value of this (insert value here) inflationary or dark energy process? In other words, is there a logical place in the MWI to assume that the inflation/now expanding accelerating phase of the universe comes in quantized chunks? Make sense?

I think it can safely be said its got nothing to do with the MWI. Note the word - interpretation - in MWI - that means its indistinguishable from the QM formalism - and for good reason - it was deliberately cooked up to be so.

Thanks
Bill
 
bhobba said:
I think it can safely be said its got nothing to do with the MWI. Note the word - interpretation - in MWI - that means its indistinguishable from the QM formalism - and for good reason - it was deliberately cooked up to be so.

It seems I don't understand MWI. I thought the interpretation expanded QM with its own mathematical formalism and stuff. And that perhaps hidden in it were some potential answers to modern cosmological conundrums. Oh well, lol.
 
bhobba said:
We don't really know.

The continuous formulation of QM via Rigged Hilbert Spaces (it's the correct formulation - the Hilbert Space formulation has issues with stuff like Dirac Delta Functions etc that's used in practice) has unphysical things like solutions that are not zero at infinity. Are these simply things introduced for mathematical convenience (that's my view) or is it trying to tell us something deeper touching on the outcomes of observations are fundamentally discreet in some way.

Thanks
Bill

Bill, maybe you know the answer to a mathematical question that I hope isn't too off-topic.

In the usual way of doing quantum mechanics, it seems that the assumption is that the universe is either finite or "asymptotically empty" (meaning that the probability of finding a particle at location [itex]x[/itex] goes to zero as [itex]x \rightarrow \infty[/itex]). QFT has a similar assumption of "asymptotic emptiness" in that it (or at least in the development that I've seen) assumes that the Hilbert space is a disjoint union of spaces with a finite number of particles (Fock space).

However, if the universe is infinite (which I think is consistent with what we know about it), then it seems that there should be an infinite amount of matter, and an infinite number of particles. There would still be a finite number of particles in any galaxy, but there would be infinitely many galaxies. Is there a formulation of QM that does not assume that the universe is asymptotically empty? That doesn't assume that the state of the universe is a superposition of states with finitely many particles? In a practical sense, I guess it doesn't matter, because you can view an infinite universe as some kind of limit of finite universes.
 
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stevendaryl said:
Is there a formulation of QM that does not assume that the universe is asymptotically empty?

I think that QM is a model that ignores such questions. Many assumptions, such as things that don't go to zero at infinity, are simply done for mathematical convenience - blow how reasonable it is.

Thanks
Bill
 

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