Maple Diff.Eq. Help: Pick Correct Value for ktemp

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The discussion revolves around the application of a differential equation related to heat transfer, specifically in the context of using Maple software for solving such equations. Participants express confusion regarding the selection of parameters, particularly the value for \(ktemp\) and the surface area needed for calculations.

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  • Some participants suggest that the correct value for \(ktemp\) should correspond to the specific problem being solved, particularly relating to initial conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about how to apply the heat transfer coefficient formula to the problem at hand, with participants seeking clarification on its relevance.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to determine the surface area of the object involved, noting a lack of provided dimensions in the problem statement.
  • One participant mentions the discrepancy between their textbook and the Maple Lab Book, questioning the completeness of the information provided in the problem.
  • A participant provides a mathematical formulation of Newton's law of Cooling, detailing the differential equation and its integration, while also discussing how to derive \(k\) from known temperature points.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to determine the correct value for \(ktemp\) or the surface area needed for calculations. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the application of the heat transfer concepts and the completeness of the problem statement.

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Limitations include potential missing assumptions about the problem setup, the dependence on specific definitions for parameters like the heat transfer coefficient, and unresolved steps in the mathematical derivation presented.

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Not really sure where to place this, as it crosses a couple lines. However, much of the confusion arises from the programming.

Here is what I have.

My code,

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My problem,

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My confusion is from what does it mean for Pick correct value for ktemp in the last line of code that I have and in the recommended codes?
 
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I think you are supposed to use the values that correspond to the problem you are solving. For instance, take the line that says \(T(0) = ?\), that would want the initial condition for the desired problem. So I think the questions marks are related to what the problem statement contains.
 
Yeah, I got those lines.

T(0)= 40

My concern is with line 7 of recommended code.
And the notated line after (13) in my code.
 
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alane1994 said:
Yeah, I got those lines.

T(0)= 40

My concern is with line 7 of recommended code.
And notated line (13) in my code.

\(k = hA\) where \(h\) is the heat transfer coefficient and \(A\) is the heat transfer surface area.
 
Stupid question...
How on Earth do I apply that to the problem, and with the given information?
 
Ok,

Now... how would I find the surface area of my object? I see nothing that would indicate lengths, widths, heights, or area.
 
alane1994 said:
Ok,

Now... how would I find the surface area of my object? I see nothing that would indicate lengths, widths, heights, or area.

I suppose you could Google what the surface area of a gallon jug or half gallon. It may even be in the back of your book.
 
Well...

My textbook and my Maple Lab Book are two different things.
And I can't imagine that they would give you a problem that you don't have all the necessary information in the question. And hence, where some of my confusion of this problem comes from.
 
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Newton's law of Cooling states that the time rate of change of the temperature $T$ of an object is proportional to the difference between the ambient temperature $M$ and the temperature of the object. Stated mathematically, this is:

$$\frac{dT}{dt}=-k(T-M)$$ where $$T(0)=T_0,\,0<k\in\mathbb{R}$$ and $$T>M$$.

The ODE is separable and may be written:

$$\frac{1}{T-M}\,dT=-k\,dt$$

Integrating, using the boundaries, and dummy variables of integration, we find:

$$\int_{T_0}^{T(t)}\frac{1}{u-M}\,du=-k\int_0^t v\,dv$$

(1) $$\ln\left(\frac{T(t)-M}{T_0-M} \right)=-kt$$

If we know another point $$\left(t_1,T_1 \right)$$ we may now find $k$:

$$-k=\frac{1}{t_1}\ln\left(\frac{T_1-M}{T_0-M} \right)$$

Hence, we find:

(2) $$T(t)=\left(T_0-M \right)\left(\frac{T_1-M}{T_0-M} \right)^{\frac{t}{t_1}}+M$$

(3) $$t=\frac{t_1\ln\left(\frac{T(t)-M}{T_0-M} \right)}{\ln\left(\frac{T_1-M}{T_0-M} \right)}$$
 

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