Marion and Thornton Dynamics Problem 7-20

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The problem involves a circular hoop suspended in a horizontal plane by three strings, with the goal of analyzing the frequency of small rotational oscillations about the vertical axis through the center of the hoop. The context is rooted in dynamics and oscillatory motion, particularly relating to the behavior of pendulums.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the implications of the hoop's fixed support and the conditions of equilibrium. Questions arise regarding the behavior of the center of mass and potential changes in height during oscillation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have provided calculations related to the height of the center of mass, while others are questioning the assumptions regarding potential energy and constraints involved in the system.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for clarity regarding the constraints of the problem, particularly in relation to the fixed support and the implications for the center of mass during oscillation. The participants are navigating through these assumptions without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


circular hoop is suspended in a horizontal plane by three strings, each of length l, which are attached symmetrically to the hoop and are connected to fixed points lying in a plane above the hoop. At equilibrium, each string is vertical. Show that the frequency of small rotational oscillations about the vertical through the center of the hoop is the same as that for a simple pendulum of length l.

Homework Equations


L = T - U

The Attempt at a Solution


NOT HOMEWORK SELF LEARNING

OK my main problem here is understanding how this is happening if the support is fixed in a plane and length stays l and hoop rotates horizontally then the height of the center of mass should not change
I need help clarifying the picture here what am I missing
From there it's straightforward to set up the Lagrangian
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zwierz said:

OK thanks again
but I didn't sense from this the the center of mass of the hoop has risen
so U=O?
 
you are not obliged to understand anything a priori. Just write equations of constraints
 
My calculation gives the follows. If##\psi## is a small angle of hoop's rotation then the height of the center of mass is ##\frac{r^2}{2l}\psi^2+o(\psi^2)##, here ##r## is hoop's radius
 

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