Mass a helium balloon can overcome

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The problem involves determining the mass that a helium balloon can lift at sea level, given specific conditions such as air density, the ideal gas equation, and the balloon's dimensions. The context includes the use of the ideal gas law and considerations of buoyancy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rearranging the ideal gas equation to find the number of moles and explore the relationship between pressure, force, and mass. There are questions about the validity of assuming equal pressures inside and outside the balloon, as well as the application of Archimedes' principle in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the use of the ideal gas equation and the assumptions made regarding pressure. Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, while others are exploring the implications of Archimedes' principle for buoyancy.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the ideal gas law and the specific conditions of the problem, including temperature and pressure at sea level. There is an acknowledgment of the need for additional information regarding the periodic table for molar mass.

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Homework Statement



The question states "What mass can the balloon lift at sea level where the density of air is 1.22 kg / m^3"..

Extra information given are, use of ideal gas equation is needed,

which is pV = nRT

where p is pressure, V is volume, n is number of moles, R is constant (R = 0.082057 L atm K^-1 mol^-1) and T being temperature in Kelvin (297 Kelvin = 25 degrees celsius)

The balloon has radius of 48m and it is perfect spherical..

Sea level is defined to be 1 atm and 25 degrees celsius.





The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to rearrange the ideal gas equation so I can get volume in one side and the rest on the other. however, when I do that, number of moles, n, cannot be found.

When I tried to approach from other direction, using pressure = force / area,

Assuming the pressure inside the balloon and outside are equal,

force is found, then used Newton's second law to find mass.

That did not turn out to be the answer...




Is there a step you see that is going wrong?

Lecturer told me that I need to make use of ideal gas equation... that's the key equation to solve this problem apprently...

but I'm not sure where to start...

does anybody see how to start other than the methods I used?

Thank you
 
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StheevilH said:
I tried to rearrange the ideal gas equation so I can get volume in one side and the rest on the other. however, when I do that, number of moles, n, cannot be found.
Rearrange the equation to solve for n, not for volume. The volume is given. (Or at least easily calculated.)
 
oh... after rearranging to solve for n,

subsituting n = m / M

and M can be found on the web (yea... periodic table... should have one... somewhere...)

and substitude the values in?



I also am curious that the assumption I made,

"the pressure inside the balloon equals the pressure outside the balloon"

is that a reasonable assumption I can make??

if that is not, I don't see a way out of this..

Thank you :)
 
Assumption about pressures being identical is quite good.

Do you know Archimedes principle?
 
Borek said:
Assumption about pressures being identical is quite good.

Do you know Archimedes principle?


Um.. I know of Archimedes... and his principle...

but I do not know that principle in depth..

but is that principle why it is fair to assume that

the identical pressures being applied inside out?
 
No, Archimedes principle is necessary to calculate buoyancy of the balloon.
 
Oh...

Thanks Borek :)

worked it out
 

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