Mass & Gravity of Photon at Light Speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mass and gravity of photons traveling at the speed of light, exploring concepts related to relativistic mass, rest mass, and the implications for gravity in relativistic spacetime. Participants engage with theoretical aspects and implications of these ideas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if a photon has a speed equal to light, its mass would be infinite, leading to infinite gravity, and questions whether this mass-energy relationship holds in the context of the sun's nuclear fusion.
  • Another participant points out that the rest mass of a photon is zero, indicating that the equation for relativistic mass does not yield a well-defined answer, as it involves zero divided by zero. They propose using the quantum equation E = hf to find the energy of a photon and relate it to relativistic mass through E = mc^2.
  • A third participant expresses confusion about the relationship between mass and gravity in relativistic spacetime, questioning why this connection cannot be made simply because it is relativistic.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake but does not elaborate further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts discussed, with no consensus reached on the relationship between mass, gravity, and photons in relativistic contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants' arguments depend on different interpretations of relativistic mass and gravity, and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of mass-energy equivalence for photons.

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for the equation m=m0/relativistic factor m is greater than m0 and about a photon which has a speed that is equal to light's one the mass would be inifinite and so the gravity would be infinity too. or maybe does that increase convert in energy?
but if so in the sun as final effect(of nuclear fusion) it woulden't have a smaller mass because, if the greater one converts in energy, tha mass keeps itselph:confused:
 
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For a photon, the rest mass m0 is zero, so the equation you mention just doesn't give a well-defined answer for the relativistic mass m, it's zero divided by zero. But you can use the quantum equation E = hf to find the energy of a photon, where h is Planck's constant and f is the frequency...I suppose you could then define the relativistic mass m of the photon using the equation E = mc^2 if you wanted, in which case you'd have m = hf/c^2.

Anyway, you shouldn't assume any simple relation between relativistic mass and gravity--take a look at the question If you go too fast do you become a black hole? from the Usenet Physics FAQ.
 
i didn't understend very much
but i understood that the photon's m0 is equal to 0 but why can't i think the mass connecting with the gravity in a relativistic spacetime?
only because is relativistic?
 
ops sorry i was wrong
 

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