Mass of Block 1 & Static Friction Info for Block-Table System

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block-table system, specifically focusing on the mass of Block 1, static friction, and the tension in a string connecting two blocks. The problem explores the conditions under which Block 1 is on the verge of sliding and the subsequent calculations related to tension and acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for the mass of Block 2 needed to keep Block 1 from sliding, the tension in the string under different conditions, and the derived acceleration of the blocks. There are attempts to verify arithmetic and check for errors in reasoning.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning the accuracy of their results. Some express doubts about the correctness of the online program used for verification, while others encourage checking calculations for potential errors.

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There is a mention of significant figures possibly affecting the results in the online program, and participants are encouraged to show their detailed calculations to clarify discrepancies.

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Block 1 as shown in the link below(url) has a mass of 10.3 kg. The coefficient of static friction between the block and the table is μs = 0.36 and the coefficient of kinetic friction is μk = 0.336.

a) What should the mass of the second block be so that m1 is just on the verge of sliding?
I ended up getting (10.3 kg)*(0.36) , which was correct

b) If the block 2 has the mass you just calculated above, what is the tension in the string?
I got (10.3*0.36)(9.81), and that was also correct

c) If the block 2 has the mass you just calculated above and then block 1 is given a slight nudge, what is the tension in the string?
So i did the FBD, to solve for acceleration of the blocks, and i got ((M2 - Uk*M1)/(M1+M2)) *g = a
i plugged acceleration back into this equation Ft = m1*a + Ffric => where Ffric is (Uk*m1*g)
and that was not correct please help me

here's the pic
https://wug-s.physics.uiuc.edu/cgi/courses/shell/common/showme.pl?cc/DuPage/phys2111/fall/homework/Ch-06-Forces/tipler_sliding_block/fig_05_10.jpg
 
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cd.riter said:
c) If the block 2 has the mass you just calculated above and then block 1 is given a slight nudge, what is the tension in the string?
So i did the FBD, to solve for acceleration of the blocks, and i got ((M2 - Uk*M1)/(M1+M2)) *g = a
i plugged acceleration back into this equation Ft = m1*a + Ffric => where Ffric is (Uk*m1*g)
and that was not correct please help me
Looks fine to me. Double check your arithmetic.
 
yea i looked over everything many times, I'm beginning to think that its the computer program that's wrong...Well if anything my answer for Ft = 35.73 N, if you are getting anything else please let me know
 
cd.riter said:
yea i looked over everything many times, I'm beginning to think that its the computer program that's wrong...Well if anything my answer for Ft = 35.73 N, if you are getting anything else please let me know
What did you get for the acceleration? (Often the online programs are fussy about significant figures.)
 
i got .173 m/s/s
so i put in the calculator

(10.3)(.173) + (.336*10.3*9.81) = Ft
 
cd.riter said:
i got .173 m/s/s
Seems a bit off--by a factor of 10. Double check this.
 
I can't find my error, thanks anyway Doc, I'll just go find my professor, I'm sure he's made an error in programming this, he's done it before
 
cd.riter said:
I can't find my error, thanks anyway Doc, I'll just go find my professor, I'm sure he's made an error in programming this, he's done it before
Before you go to your professor, show the details of your calculation of the acceleration.
 
first I made the tensions equal to each other

m1*a + Uk*m1*g = m2g - m2 a , then i solved for a

a = ((m2 - uk*m1)/(m1+m2)) * ga = (((10.3*.36)-(.336*10.3)/((10.3*.36)+10.3))) * 9.81 = .173
 
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cd.riter said:
first I made the tensions equal to each other

m1*a + Uk*m1*g = m2g - m2 a , then i solved for a

a = ((m2 - uk*m1)/(m1+m2)) * g


a = (((10.3*.36)-(.336*10.3)/((10.3*.36)+10.3))) * 9.81 = .173
Yep, looks OK. (I misread something earlier.)
 

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