Mass revolving around a vertical axis

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a mass revolving around a vertical axis, focusing on the forces acting on the mass, including tension, centripetal force, and gravity. Participants are exploring the relationships between these forces and their components.

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  • Participants discuss the decomposition of forces into components, particularly the tensions in the strings and their relation to centripetal and gravitational forces. There is an exploration of how to mathematically express these relationships and the implications of the angles involved.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to relate the tensions to the forces acting on the mass. There is an ongoing examination of the equations derived from the forces, with attention to the signs and directions of the tensions. Multiple interpretations of the force components are being explored.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem setup, including the angles of the tensions and the definitions of the forces involved. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by having multiple unknowns in the equations.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


-r(dθ/dt)^2= Centripetal force
F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


The tension force will be cut into two parts.
I split the distance between the two strings into two sections, so the distance "r" to the mass can be defined as "L^2 - (d/2)^2 = r^2" where d is the total distance between the strings, and r is the distance to the mass.
[itex]F_{x}= -m\omega^{2}; F_{y} = -mg[/itex]

The centripetal force will be divided by the two strings intuitively, but I'm not sure how to actually go about it mathematically. The two forces are already in their most basic component forms.

So, I have no idea how to deal with the vectors mathematically.

N.B. Sorry about the title, forgot to finish it =/
 

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Astrum said:
[itex]F_{x}= -m\omega^{2};[/itex]
You left something out.
Let Tup, Tdown be the tensions. What equations can you write relating those to Fx and Fy?
 
haruspex said:
You left something out.
Let Tup, Tdown be the tensions. What equations can you write relating those to Fx and Fy?

I'm not sure what you mean. There are four forces involved. T1, T2, centripetal force and gravity.

The the two forces that are at a weird angle is the two tensions. The two tensions are both at a 45 degree angle from centripetal force.

Do you mean to rewrite it as: Fx= -mrω2+Tx1+Tx2=0
Fy= -mg + T1y+T2y=0

Split the two tensions into an x and y component?
 
Astrum said:
Fx= -mrω2+Tx1+Tx2=0
You defined Fx as a centripetal force. That means it is a resultant of other forces, so you should write -mrω2=Tx1+Tx2
Fy= -mg + T1y+T2y=0
That's ok, but now you have four unknowns. What equations derive Tx1 and Ty1 from T1?
 
T1x= T1cosθ, T1y=T1sinθ the same goes for T2

-mω2 = T1cosθ + T2cosθ
-mg + T2sinθ + T2sinθ = 0

Now I can solve the system of equations? Or am I missing something? :confused:
 
Astrum said:
T1x= T1cosθ, T1y=T1sinθ the same goes for T2

-mω2 = T1cosθ + T2cosθ
-mg + T2sinθ + T2sinθ = 0
Be careful with the signs. You are taking upward as positive. Which ways do the two tensions act in the vertical sense?
 
haruspex said:
Astrum said:
T1x= T1cosθ, T1y=T1sinθ the same goes for T2

-mω2 = T1cosθ + T2cosθ
-mg + T2sinθ + T2sinθ = 0
Be careful with the signs. You are taking upward as positive. Which ways do the two tensions act in the vertical sense?
-mg - T2sinθ + T1sinθ = 0

The second string will be downward. String 1 will have a positive y tension component, because it's balancing the y component from gravity.

So, solving the system, I get: [tex]T_{1}=\frac{mg}{sin(\theta)}-\frac{-m \omega^{2}}{cos(\theta)}[/tex]

Does that look right?
 
Astrum said:
Does that look right?
Yes.
 

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