Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the feasibility of installing shock absorbers in a kayak seat to mitigate back injuries when landing flat after descending waterfalls. Participants explore the dynamics of impact with water, the mechanics of springs and dampers, and the calculations needed to determine the effectiveness of such modifications.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- One participant describes the assumption that a kayak sinks approximately 6 inches into aerated water upon landing, which is believed to reduce the G-forces experienced during impact.
- Another participant questions the validity of the 6 inches figure and suggests that the kayak may initially sink further than the mass of water displaced, proposing that energy absorption by water is a factor to consider.
- Concerns are raised about how the springs or shocks would interact with the water's dampening effect, with uncertainty about the overall rate of deceleration experienced by the upper body during impact.
- A participant expresses a desire for a high spring rate to prevent compression under normal weight but allow for compression during high G landings.
- Discussion includes the concept of "impulse" and its relation to impact forces, with a participant seeking clarification on how increasing the distance traveled during impact might affect the forces experienced.
- Another participant mentions that studies indicate human bones can begin to break at forces around 12 KiloNewtons, suggesting that body position at impact can influence the outcome.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanics of impact and the effectiveness of shock absorbers, with no consensus reached on the specific calculations or outcomes related to the proposed modifications.
Contextual Notes
Participants acknowledge the need for further research into the numbers and assumptions presented, particularly regarding the dynamics of water impact and the mechanical properties of springs and dampers.