Mass-spring-damper problem for kayaking waterfalls

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The discussion focuses on the feasibility of installing shock absorbers in a kayak seat to reduce back injury risk when landing flat from waterfalls. It is assumed that a kayak sinks about 6 inches upon impact, which helps mitigate the G-forces experienced during landing. The key concern is whether adding springs or shocks with a 2-inch stroke will effectively decrease the G-forces by increasing the distance traveled during impact. Participants discuss the relationship between impulse, deceleration, and the interaction of the kayak's shock absorbers with the water's damping effect. Calculations and empirical data are suggested to determine the optimal spring rate and overall impact on G-forces during landing.
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WW Kayaker said:
However, I suspect the water doesn't act like a spring but more like a damper with uniform rate of dampening during the entire impact.
OK, let's model the water as a pure damper, that is ##F= -Cv## where ##C## is a damping coefficient.

We already know the initial velocity upon impact, i.e. ##v_0 = \sqrt{2gh}##. Knowing that ##v = \frac{dx}{dt}## and ##F = m\frac{dv}{dt}##, then:
$$F = mv\frac{dv}{dx}$$
$$-Cv = mv\frac{dv}{dx}$$
$$dx = -\frac{m}{C}dv$$
$$\int_0^d dx = -\frac{m}{C}\int_{v_0}^0 dv$$
$$d = \frac{m}{C}v_0$$
Thus we can estimate ##C## if we know the distance ##d## that the kayak sinks in:
$$C = \frac{mv_0}{d}$$
The maximum damping force will be at maximum velocity, which is at ##v_0##:
$$F_{d\ max} = C v_0 = \frac{m}{d}v_0^2 = \frac{2mgh}{d} = \frac{2Wh}{d}$$
For ##W= 175\ lb##, ##h = 20\ ft## and ##d= 6\ in##, then ##F_{d\ max} = 14\ 000\ lb##.

What difference will adding a spring in series do? Assuming the ideal case where the spring compresses completely before the kayak begins sinking:
$$v_0 = \sqrt{2gh - \frac{K_s}{m}x_s^2}$$
and
$$F_{s\ max}= K_s x_s$$
$$F_{d\ max} = \frac{m\sqrt{2gh}}{d}\sqrt{2gh - \frac{K_s}{m}x_s^2}$$
The spring constant necessary to achieve a compression of ##2"## without bottoming out is ##5930\ lb## which will give ##F_{s\ max} = F_{d\ max} = 11\ 860\ lb ##, same as with the 2 springs in series. With any other spring constant, either ##F_{s\ max}## or ##F_{d\ max}## will increase (up to ##14\ 000\ lb##).

I thought that was an interesting result. I guess it means that there is a maximum value for the energy that you can absorb with a spring under the seat, no matter how the energy will be dissipated afterward.
 
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