Massless Particles: Speed of Light & Gravitons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of massless particles, specifically whether they all travel at the speed of light regardless of the observer's speed, and includes the specific case of gravitons. The scope encompasses theoretical considerations and implications in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all massless particles must travel at the speed of light, as mass would prevent them from reaching this speed.
  • One participant notes that massless particles can travel towards the observer as well as away from them.
  • Another participant references classical theories of gravity, suggesting that if General Relativity (GR) is considered, gravitational effects propagate at the speed of light in low-amplitude limits, although this remains unproven experimentally.
  • Challenges regarding the detection of gravitons and the difficulties in designing experiments to test their propagation speed are mentioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that massless particles travel at the speed of light, but there is no consensus on the specifics regarding gravitons and their detection, as well as the implications of classical theories of gravity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of direct experimental evidence for gravitons and the dependence on theoretical frameworks like General Relativity, which may not encompass all possible models of gravity.

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Do all massless particles travel away from you at the speed of light regardless of you speed . i know light does , does this include gravitons .
 
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Massless particles cannot exist otherwise. If they would have a mass, they would never reach this speed. Without a mass, with the slightest energy, they reach the speed of light.

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cragar said:
Do all massless particles travel away from you at the speed of light regardless of you speed . i know light does , does this include gravitons .

They could travel toward you too!
 
cragar said:
Do all massless particles travel away from you at the speed of light regardless of you speed . i know light does , does this include gravitons .

Yes. For a proof, see subsection 3.2.2 of this link: http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch03/ch03.html#Section3.2

Gravitons are sort of a special case, because they have never been directly detected. In classical theories of gravity, we can ask whether gravitational effects propagate at c. If GR is the classical theory you have in mind, then it is true in the low-amplitude limit that they propagate at c. There is no direct experimental evidence yet on this point. Experiments on this issue are difficult to design and interpret, because nobody has a viable candidate theory of classical gravity in which gravitational effects do *not* propagate at c. Here is a more detailed discussion: http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch07/ch07.html#Section7.1
 
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thanks for the answers
 

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