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The discussion revolves around number theory problems, specifically focusing on properties of the Euler's totient function, modular arithmetic, and factorials related to prime numbers. Participants are attempting to prove various statements involving these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different approaches to proving properties of the Euler's totient function, including counting arguments and the application of Euler's theorem and Wilson's theorem. Questions arise about the implications of divisibility and the relationships between the primes involved in the problems.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered hints and suggestions for tackling the problems, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and explore different methods. There is recognition that some problems may be simpler than initially perceived, and participants are actively engaging with each other's ideas.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about how to apply specific properties of the totient function and modular arithmetic, particularly in relation to the conditions given in the problems. There are also discussions about the implications of certain assumptions, such as the relationship between m and n in the context of divisibility.

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Hey all, I've got a few problems that are tripping me up tonight.

1. Let m,n be positive integers with m|n. Prove phi(mn)=m*phi(n).

I know I can write n as a multiple of m, and m as a product of primes, and my best guess so far is that I can work with some basic properties of or formulas for the phi function to get the desired result. But I'm not making much progress.

2. Let n be an integer with 9|n. Prove n^7 = n mod 63.

In this case I know it is enough to prove 7|(n^7-n) and 9|(n^7-n). But even though I imagine this would be a pretty simple application of Euler's theorem, I can't figure it out so far.

3. Suppose p is prime and p = 3 mod 4. Prove ((p-1)/2)! = +/- 1 mod p.

This one has me stumpted totally.
 
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1. can you prove the simpler case where n is a prime power? Your approach should be easier here.

2. 9|(n^7-n) should be simple...Euler's theorem on 7|(n^7-n) is a good idea, what's going wrong? Show your work...

3. A small hint, consider Wilson's theorem.
 
1. Maybe you should think of a counting argument. What does m|n really tell you, and how can you count numbers coprime to mn in { 1, ..., m, ..., n, ..., mn }?

2. n^7 = n (mod 7) by Fermat's Little Theorem (or Euler's Theorem), and you know that 9|n so 9|n^7. Can you see why n^7 = n (mod 9) too?

3. Maybe Wilson's theorem will help. If you write p=4k+3 then
(p-1)! = (4k+2)! = -1 (mod p)
But also
(4k+3)! = [(4k+2)(4k+1)...(2k+2)](2k+1)!
= [(-1)(-2)(-3)...(-(2k+1))](2k+1)! (mod p)
= - [(2k+1)!]^2 (mod p)
and the minus sign is there because there are an odd number of terms (in fact we have (-1)^(2k+1) = -1).

Can you see where to go from here?
 
Oops. Looks like I'm half an hour too late. In my defense I didn't click the "Post" button properly then went to make dinner only to come back and see that it didn't actually post.
 
first one...u should know phi(n), now treat mn as single integer "mn" ...what is phi("mn");
 
I like this last suggestion for #1. I can do all that and I see where it is headed, but at the end I have expressions for phi(n) and phi(mn) that depend on different primes (or at least I can't prove they are the same). How do I use m|n to prove this?

As I suspected, #2 is a lot easier than I was making it. I have a bit of a related question, though. If 3 does not divide n, how can I prove that n^7=n mod 9 ?

Haven't had a chance to look at #3 yet, but I will.
 
randommacuser said:
I like this last suggestion for #1. I can do all that and I see where it is headed, but at the end I have expressions for phi(n) and phi(mn) that depend on different primes (or at least I can't prove they are the same). How do I use m|n to prove this?

The primes involved in the factorizations of n and m*n have to be the same as m|n, they will possibly be different powers though.

randommacuser said:
As I suspected, #2 is a lot easier than I was making it. I have a bit of a related question, though. If 3 does not divide n, how can I prove that n^7=n mod 9 ?

You'd then know gcd(n,9)=1, so...
 
Got them all, I think. Thanks everyone!
 
A useful form of the formula for phi(n) that I don't see often is:

[tex]\varphi(n) = n (1 - \frac{1}{p_1}) (1 - \frac{1}{p_2}) \cdots[/tex]

which makes your problem (1) trivial!
 

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