Mastering L'Hopital's Rule for Calculating Limits | Solving Analysis Homework

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The discussion revolves around calculating a limit involving L'Hôpital's Rule, specifically the limit as x approaches 0 of (x/sin x)^(1/x^2). Participants are exploring the application of L'Hôpital's Rule and series expansions to resolve the indeterminate form encountered.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply L'Hôpital's Rule but encounters a 0/0 form. They express confusion about the steps taken after taking the logarithm of the limit. Other participants suggest using Taylor series expansion for sin x and question the necessity of further applications of L'Hôpital's Rule.

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Participants are actively discussing the application of L'Hôpital's Rule and the use of series expansions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the expansion of sin x and the conditions under which L'Hôpital's Rule is applicable. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet, as multiple strategies are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are reminded to check for indeterminate forms before applying L'Hôpital's Rule, and there is an emphasis on the validity of the forms encountered during the limit evaluation.

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So I've been working on my analysis homework and I am stuck on the last question!

Please help!

the question is

lim x approaches to 0 of (x/sin x)^1/x^2

the answer is e^1/6

but my l'Hopital's process keeps giving me 0/0...

After taking the log of the limit, I have

====> 1/x^2 (log x - log sin x)

My first l'hospital's process give me

====> 1/2x (1/x - cos x/ sin x)

2nd l'hospital's give me

====> 1/2 (-(x)^-2 - 1/sin^2 x)

Am i doing something wrong? or do i need to keep going
 
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hi chlrbwls! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
chlrbwls said:
====> 1/2 (-(x)^-2 - 1/sin^2 x)

good so far :smile: (apart from a sign) …

now write the bottom as (x2 - sin2x)/x2sin2x, and expand :wink:
 
What do you mean by expand tim?

Once i expand, do i need to do l'hospital's again?
 
do you know an expansion (a series) for sinx ?

(and no, you wouldn't need l'Hôpital again)
 
Oh you mean the taylor polynomial series!

But i have squares in with the sines..

How would that work?
 
well, you'll only need the first two terms, so forget all the other terms, and square it! :smile:

(alternatively, use 2sin2x = 1 - cos2x :wink:)
 
I haven't looked at the detail but when using l'Hospital's rule be sure to check each time that you do indeed have the indeterminate form necessary for the rule to be valid.

E.g. naively over-applying l'Hospital's rule yields:

x/x -> 1/1 -> 0/0 (the 1/1 form is not indeterminate so d1/dx / d1/dx = 0/0 is incorrect.)
 
Yeah the only indeterminate forms are 0/0 and infinity/infinity. So unless the function yields either of these when the limit is plugged in, it could be solved algebraically.
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi chlrbwls! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)good so far :smile: (apart from a sign) …

now write the bottom as (x2 - sin2x)/x2sin2x, and expand :wink:


Tim there's no need to apply l'hospital's twice before applying series expansion. It's much easier to do that right after the first application.

====> 1/2x (1/x - cos x/ sin x)

(sinx - xcosx) / (2 x^2 sinx)

(-1/6 x^3 + 1/2 x^3) / (2 x^3 ) = 1/6
 

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