Math courses for Theoretical Condensed Matter

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The discussion revolves around the mathematics courses that a physics and math major should consider taking to prepare for research in theoretical condensed matter physics. Participants explore the relevance and applicability of various mathematical topics, including abstract algebra, differential geometry, topology, linear algebra, transform methods, chaotic behavior, and differential forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that abstract algebra, particularly group theory, is essential for a math major interested in theoretical physics.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of differential geometry in condensed matter, noting its primary use in general relativity and conjectured links to condensed matter.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the utility of topology, with one participant indicating that while topology may be useful, the application of point-set topology versus algebraic topology is unclear.
  • Linear algebra is widely regarded as crucial, with some participants recommending taking as many courses in this area as possible for condensed matter and theoretical physics.
  • Transform methods are viewed positively by some, who believe they are important, while others express uncertainty about their usefulness.
  • One participant advocates for the study of differential forms, suggesting they can enhance computational efficiency, though they acknowledge a personal bias.
  • Chaos and non-linear behavior are considered relevant by some participants, particularly in relation to collective behavior in condensed matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of linear algebra and express varying opinions on the relevance of other mathematical topics, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity and applicability of courses like differential geometry, topology, and transform methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the conjectured links between general relativity and condensed matter as a potential area of interest, while others express uncertainty about the level of rigor required in courses like algebraic topology for physicists compared to mathematicians.

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I'm a physics and math major, going into my 3rd year. Suppose I want to do research in theoretical aspects of condensed matter. What would be the mathematics I should be learning as an undergraduate? Here is a rundown of courses I'm considering taking next year:
  1. Abstract Algebra: it seems a little preposterous for a math major to not have taken a course in abstract algebra, and things like group theory seem to be very applicable in theoretical physics from what I have read.
  2. Differential Geometry: from what I've read, differential geometry is not used in condensed matter, except for a few fancy things like cell membranes.
  3. Topology: it looks like topology is used extensively, although it isn't clear to me if taking a upper-undergrad course in point-set topology will be of any use. It looks like it isn't until one learns algebraic topology that some of the concepts (homotopy, homology etc.) would become of any use, and even then I'm not sure if physicists would learn those at the same level of rigour as a mathematician would. If I wanted to focus on topological effects specifically, would it be advisable to take a graduate sequence in algebraic topology, or take an undergraduate course in point-set topology, or neither?
  4. Linear Algebra: I have the option to take a more advanced proofs-based linear algebra course which mostly covers topics I haven't encountered in the first course I took (canonical forms, adjoints, operators, spectral theorem). I liked linear algebra and have seen some people comment to take as many linear algebra courses as possible for condensed matter / theoretical physics.
  5. Transform Methods: there is also one course that covers a wide range of transform techniques in depth (Fast and Discrete Fourier, Laplace, Radon) and their applications, and I'm not sure how useful these would be.
  6. There is also a course on chaotic and non-linear behaviour offered and I would have thought it would be a great course to take for condensed matter as it also touches on collective behaviour.
  7. Differential forms: I know nothing about this one.
I have taken courses in real and complex analysis, ODEs, PDEs + some numerical analysis, and metric spaces already, and will be taking a course in computational methods.
 
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Topology, maybe. Linear algebra, absolutely. Transform methods, absolutely. Chaos and non-linear, yes, the others, I weouldn't think they would be necessary.
 
Differential forms would be something i recommend every physicist take (learn properly). However, I am biased.

From the list I'd say, Linear algebra >>>>>>>>>>> transform methods > differential forms >> rest

Differential forms can speed up a lot of computations when learned, but more linear algebra/transform methods will be way more useful than the rest.
 

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