Mathematical approximations in Physics for angles <20 degrees

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The discussion revolves around mathematical approximations in physics, specifically for small angles less than 20 degrees. The original poster presents a problem involving the relationship between tangent, sine, and angle measurements in radians and degrees, and seeks to understand the implications of these approximations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to determine the largest angle for which the tangent can be approximated by the angle itself with a specified error margin. Some attempt calculations with specific angles to illustrate the error involved.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between tangent, sine, and angle measurements. Participants are questioning the significance of using tangent over sine in certain contexts, particularly in relation to wave behavior and interference patterns. Some guidance has been offered regarding the practical implications of using these approximations.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the error associated with approximations and the context in which these approximations are applied, particularly in physics problems involving angles and wave behavior.

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Homework Statement



62. In physics, it is important to use mathematical approximations.
(a) Demonstrate that for small angles (<20°)

tan a ~ sin a ~ a = (Pia'/180 degrees)

where a is in radians and a' is in degrees. (b) Use a calculator
to find the largest angle for which tan a may be
approximated by a with an error less than 10.0%.



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I'm unsure how I would go about this other than plugging in numbers less that 20 degrees, but I wouldn't know what is within ten percent error.
 
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hyde2042 said:

Homework Statement



62. In physics, it is important to use mathematical approximations.
(a) Demonstrate that for small angles (<20°)

tan a ~ sin a ~ a = (Pia'/180 degrees)

where a is in radians and a' is in degrees. (b) Use a calculator
to find the largest angle for which tan a may be
approximated by a with an error less than 10.0%.



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm unsure how I would go about this other than plugging in numbers less that 20 degrees, but I wouldn't know what is within ten percent error.

If you take sin 30 you get 0.5000. If you take tan 30 you get 0.5773

That is a difference of 0.0773

That represents a percentage error of (0.0773/.5000 * 100)% or 15.5% difference.
That is bigger than 10%.

If the angle is smaller , the error is smaller.
NOTE: error doesn't mean a mistake, it means how far from the real answer would you calculated answer be if you used tan rather than sin - perhaps for some convenience reason.
 
Oh, as you go from tan (a) to sin (a) to the actual (a) in radians it will be equal to the angle of (a) times Pi over 180?

Edit: Thanks for your time and reply. It feels embarrassing that I should be strugglling with these questions in the first chapter as opposed to all the other questions I've been seeing.
 
hyde2042 said:
Oh, as you go from tan (a) to sin (a) to the actual (a) in radians it will be equal to the angle of (a) times Pi over 180?

Edit: Thanks for your time and reply. It feels embarrassing that I should be strugglling with these questions in the first chapter as opposed to all the other questions I've been seeing.

the "angle of (a) times Pi over 180" is just there to convert degrees to radians
 
Ah I see, thank you. It's been a few years since my Trig class.
 
Follow Up Question.

I understand that tan of a small angle is close to the sine of an angle, but what is the significance of it.

In my book it states for waves that Tsin(theta) for small angles is approximately equal to Ttan(theta) and we should use that instead. My question is why? Why use tangent instead of sine?

Thanks
 
mbyoung18 said:
I understand that tan of a small angle is close to the sine of an angle, but what is the significance of it.

In my book it states for waves that Tsin(theta) for small angles is approximately equal to Ttan(theta) and we should use that instead. My question is why? Why use tangent instead of sine?

Thanks

depends where your angle is.

If you are looking at an interference pattern on a screen for example.

The source of the pattern (The actual double or single slit) is, say, 1 m from a screen.
If the feature (max or min) you are working with it 2cm off centre, then the angle to that feature has a tangent of 2/100.
If there is another feature 3cm off centre, then the angle to that feature has a tangent of 3/100.

If you were after the sine of each of those angles you would have to measure the direct distance to each feature in turn. (tan is opposite/adjacent; sin is opposite/hypoteneuse)

If the sin and tan value are basically the same, you are saved that problem.

You would also be saved the problem if the subsequent formulae you were using had the tan function in them, but I think the formulae include sine.
 

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