Mathematical Derivation of Significant Figure Rules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical derivation of significant figure rules, particularly focusing on why certain digits are considered significant and others are not, especially in the context of measurements taken with a precise scale. Participants explore the implications of leading zeros and the relationship between significant figures and precision in numerical representation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a reading of 1.0005 g has 5 significant figures while 0.0005 g has only 1, despite both being taken from the same scale.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of fractional error, suggesting that precision is related to the percentage error associated with the measurement.
  • A different viewpoint discusses absolute error, providing examples to illustrate how significant figures relate to the accuracy of measurements.
  • One participant critiques the use of significant figures, arguing that they are inherently flawed and not used in real scientific practice.
  • Another participant advocates for the use of scientific notation, stating that it clarifies the number of significant figures and the precision of the measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility and validity of significant figures, with some supporting their use and others questioning their relevance in scientific contexts. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to represent precision in measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the interpretation of significant figures, such as the impact of leading zeros and the relationship between significant figures and error percentages. These assumptions may depend on the context of measurement and the conventions used in different scientific fields.

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Mathematical Derivation of Significant Figure "Rules"

Let's say I have a scale which can accurately read weights out to ten-thousandths of a gram so it might read 1.0005 g or 0.0005 grams ... why is it that the first reading has 5 significant figures and the second has only 1? Same instrument ... so how is it less precise just because the item weighs less? If I want to add two measurements together from the same scale ... say 0.0056 and 1.2345 --- why do I have to make it a two digit number? Why does that cause me to lose precision?

Please do not tell me how to apply the "rules" for significant figures -- I can read the tables in my chemistry/physics books just fine. I am asking how the rule is derived ... everywhere I've asked, I've had people saying "well leading zeroes aren't significant" ... I know this, and like a good monkey can apply the rules without a problem -- but I want to know why they aren't "significant".

I want an explanation centered around arithmetic of numbers in the decimal representation system -- something explaining why precision is lost because of leading zeros ... this is why I put it into the math section ... I figure this is more of a number theoretic question than anything else...


Thanks.
 
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Typically precision is thought about in terms of fractional error. A number such as .05 could be off by 10%, while a number like 1.05 has a fractional error of 0.1%. That is the reasoning behind significant digits.
 


Well here is a thought...

Errors are usually (like Mathman said) linked with percentage error. So in you example we have (in Absolute Error):

0.0005 +/- .00001 g = 0.0005 +/- 20%
1.0005 +/- .00001 g = 1.0005 +/- .001% (wlthough you might ceil the value to 1%)

Hence in practice, most of the time one would try to use higher masses or time to more oscillations (e.g. 10) etc...

I believe the answer to your question lies in the way we mathematically evaluate the number of significant figures in a number. However, in Physics (like MM said), it is better to use the Percentage error or sometimes absolute error when quoting precision/accuracy.
 


Got it -- that's the first time someone has been able to explain it to me clearly. Thanks a bunch!
 


Note that significant numbers are faulty by design. Take a look at 1 and 9 - one siginificant digit in each case. In each case that means that the number is known with +/- 0.5 accuracy. That in turn means 50% accuracy for 1 and around 6% accuracy for 9.

That's why they are not used in real science. Some even claim that they are ONLY taught to poor HS students for no apparent reasons, as they are not used anytime later.
 


It is much better to express the number in "scientific notation". 1.005 g has clearly been read on a scale where you CAN read to the nearest 0.0005 g. 0.005 is ambiguous. If you were to write it instead as 5 x 10-3 you can see that there is, in fact, just the the one significant figure.
 

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