Maths puzzle -- What is the missing digit?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical puzzle involving a sequence of numbers where participants are attempting to determine a missing digit in the sequence. The conversation includes analysis of the sequence's properties, potential formulas, and methods for deriving the missing value, with a focus on whether the sequence follows a specific pattern such as arithmetic or geometric progression.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the pyramid shape of the arrangement is irrelevant and that the sequence itself is sufficient for analysis.
  • There is a proposal that the even and odd indexed terms of the sequence are computed using different formulas.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of using differences between subsequent numbers to uncover relationships within the sequence.
  • Some participants mention the use of ratios between consecutive elements as a method for identifying whether the sequence is exponential.
  • There are conflicting views on whether the sequence is similar to the Fibonacci sequence, with some asserting it is not, while others suggest it has exponential characteristics akin to Fibonacci.
  • One participant claims to have found the answer as 118, but this is contested by others who argue it is too large and does not fit within the expected range of the sequence.
  • Clues are provided regarding the nature of the sequence, including that it is monotonically increasing and lies between certain values.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the exact formula for generating the sequence and how it relates to known sequences like Fibonacci.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct missing digit, with multiple competing views on the nature of the sequence and the validity of proposed methods for solving the puzzle. Some participants agree on certain properties of the sequence, while others challenge the conclusions drawn.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the sequence is not Fibonacci, but there is uncertainty regarding the exact formula that generates its terms. The discussion includes various methods for analysis, but no definitive resolution is reached regarding the missing digit.

  • #31
PeroK said:
One last clue:

## 2 + 3 \approx 6##
##3 + 6 \approx 8##
##6 + 8 \approx 15##
I stopped typing my clue in as soon as I saw yours pop up.
Clearly, we are on the same page!
 
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  • #32
.Scott said:
We're not suppose to just give you the solution. So here's another (hopefully final) clue:

We know (2, 3, 6, 8, 15, ...) isn't Fibonacci because:
6 <> 2+3 (just misses)
8 <> 3+6 (just misses)
15 <> 6+8 (just misses)
22 <>
Thanks got it in some terms we add and aubtract 1 alternatively 👍
 
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  • #33
willem2 said:
You can however get an exact formula for the n-th element of the series, and it does involve (-1)^n.
If you type [insert recurrence relation here], a(0)=2, a(1)=3, a(2) = 6 in wolfram alpha, you'll get the exact solution.
And now that a solution is finally revealed, @willem2 solved it with this:
## v_i = 2v_{i-2}+v_{i-3} ##
 
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  • #34
.Scott said:
And now that a solution is finally revealed, @willem2 solved it with this:
## v_i = 2v_{i-2}+v_{i-3} ##
It is also easy to show that both approaches are the same. Take
$$
v_i = v_{i-1} + v_{i-2} + (-1)^i
$$
and replace ##v_{i-1}## on the rhs using the same recurrence relation.
 
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  • #35
The "absolute value" method I referred to was this:
## v_i = v_{i-2} - v_{i-1} +1 ##
can generate this sequence:
2, -3, 6, -8, 15, -22, ...

The absolute value of each element in that sequence gives you the sequence we were working with.

Oh yes. Someone should say it: 59.
 
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  • #36
.Scott said:
The "absolute value" method I referred to was this:
## v_i = v_{i-2} - v_{i-1} +1 ##
can generate this sequence:
2, -3, 6, -8, 15, -22, ...

The absolute value of each element in that sequence gives you the sequence we were working with.
There are infinite methods to solve it so we can say that series is divergent?
 
  • #37
engnrshyckh said:
There are infinite methods to solve it so we can say that series is divergent?
The reason it is divergent is because the sum of the terms does not approach any particular finite value.
See Divergent Series (wiki)

The reason that there are infinite methods is because there are always infinite methods. Everyone knows there is more than one way to skin a cat. But Mathematicians know there are an infinite number of ways to do that.
 
  • #38
What on Earth the pyramidal structure of the puzzle has to do with that sequence recursive relation?
 
  • #39
zoki85 said:
What on Earth the pyramidal structure of the puzzle has to do with that sequence recursive relation?
Nothing. It's to throw off the scent.
 
  • #40
.Scott said:
And now that a solution is finally revealed, @willem2 solved it with this:
## v_i = 2v_{i-2}+v_{i-3} ##
Nice. So the characteristic equation is a cubic. Which means that the result will [likely] be the sum of three exponentials. Which is how the ##-1^n## fits in.
 

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