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This discussion focuses on the mathematical principles and forces involved in calculating the rotation of an object around a fixed point. Key concepts include the moment of inertia (I) and the relationship between force (F), torque (τ), and rotational acceleration (a). The discussion emphasizes the need to compare linear motion equations with those of rotational motion and provides a specific formula for calculating the moment of inertia for a uniform cylinder. The steps outlined include determining the desired rotational acceleration, calculating the moment of inertia based on geometry, and using the torque equation to find the required force.

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Hi

The first thing to say about this is that I don’t have a clue where to start.

What I’m looking for is somewhere (maybe a website or just a brief introduction) I can study – and learn – about the forces involved and the maths required.

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Say I have an item/length/beam/weight/etc (C in the graphic) that can rotate about a point (B in the graphic) which is supported on an unmovable base (A in the graphic).

C can be heaver, taller, have more mass, etc, etc (it can change) although it’s rotation point never changes

What I’m looking for is a way to work out how the properties of C will affect the force required to rotate it around point B.

This is not a homework question (I left school over 40 years ago), it’s just for my own personal interest and education.

Thank you

Here is the graphic (on Microsoft Onedrive). I have put this link as well in case you can't see it.
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Hi,

I think you should start comparing the equations of linear motion with the respective of rotational motion. You can study some basic equations in this website: https://www.4physics.com/phy_demo/Newton/Newton_rot.htm.

Let's consider this system to be horizontal and the air resistance to be negligible. There is no force exerted on this system initially (no gravity-horizontal system). In this case, the moment of inertia (I) changes when we change the geometry of c. For example if c is a uniform cylinder with radius R and length l and is rotating around b, then: I=(MR^2/4)+(Ml^2/3) where M is the mass of c.

So you must follow these steps:
1) Decide the rotational acceleration (a=dω/dt) with which you want c to start rotating.
2) Calculate the moment of inertia (I) based on the geometrical characteristics of your system.
3) From the equation Στ=Fr=Ia, you can calculate the Force that needs to be exerted on a specific point of the object c.

Have in mind that τ=Fr, where F is the force exerted on the cylinder and r the distance of the point (in which F is exerted) from b.

The difficult step is to calculate the moment of inertia for non-uniform objects, because you need to use the integral of (r^2 dm).
 

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