Matrix Algebra; Linear Dependece; 3 Vectors; In R^4

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The discussion revolves around determining the linear dependence or independence of three vectors in R^4, each having four components. The original poster expresses confusion about how to denote the components of these vectors and seeks clarification on the definitions and methods for assessing linear dependence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the notation for the components of vectors in R^4, suggesting alternatives like x1, x2, x3, x4. There is mention of creating a matrix from the vectors and performing row reduction to assess linear dependence. Questions arise regarding the definitions of linear dependence and independence, with some participants challenging the clarity of these definitions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various insights into the definitions of linear dependence and independence. There is an exploration of the implications of having three vectors in R^4, with some participants noting the potential for multiple solutions to the equations involved. No consensus has been reached, and various interpretations are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of linear dependence in the context of vectors in R^4, with some expressing skepticism about the completeness of the original poster's textbook explanations. There is a noted confusion regarding the number of equations and unknowns when dealing with three vectors in R^4.

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You have 3 Vectors say v1,v2,v3 in R^4 meaning they each have 4 components. How do you determine if they are linearly dependent or independent? And usually how do you denote 4 components? I know everyone knows how to denote three components which is just x,y,z but idk what to call the 4th one. The question is simple, can someone just give me a brief play by play on how to determine the dependence or independence? My book is not very much help and I even googled it.

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You can just call them x1, x2, x3, x4 - in fact you can call them anything you want to, but it's best to stick to standard conventions so it doesn't confuse anyone.

So it would be in a column: <x1,x2,x3,x4>

You need to create a matrix with the 3 vectors (3 columns and 4 rows because of 4 components), and perform row reduction on them. This will help you determine if they are linearly dependent or not.
 
Are you saying that your book does not give the definition of "independence" and "dependence"? I find that had to believe! And it is all you need.
A set of vectors, \{v_1, v_2, ..., v_n\}, is "dependent" if and only if there exist a set of numbers, \{a_1, a_2,..., a_n\}, not all 0, such that a_1v_1+ a_2v_2+ ...+ a_nv_n= 0.

If you have vectors in R^4, each vector has four components and so, with three vectors, you would have three equations in four unknowns. It should be easy to find many values of the unknowns that satify those equations.

("not all 0" added after Mark44 pointed out my error. Thanks.)
 
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HallsofIvy said:
A set of vectors, \{v_1, v_2, ..., v_n\}, is "dependent" if and only if there exist a set of numbers, \{a_1, a_2,..., a_n\}, such that a_1v_1+ a_2v_2+ ...+ a_nv_n= 0.
There must be a typo here. Using this definition, I would conclude wrongly that x = <1, 0> and y = <0, 1> are linearly dependent vectors in R2. Clearly, the numbers a = 0 and b = 0 are a solution for the equation ax + by = 0. In fact, there are no other solutions for the constants a and b in this equation.

If the equation a_1v_1+ a_2v_2+ ...+ a_nv_n= 0 has only a single solution (the trivial solution, a1 = 0 = a2 = ... = an) for the constants a1, ..., an, then the vectors \{v_1, v_2, ..., v_n\} are linearly independent.

If this equation has more than one solution for the constants, a1, ..., an, then this set of vectors is linearly dependent.
 
HallsofIvy said:
If you have vectors in R^4, each vector has four components and so, with three vectors, you would have three equations in four unknowns. It should be easy to find many values of the unknowns that satify those equations.
You're thinking of the case of four vectors in R3. With three vectors in R4, you get four equations with three unknowns.
 

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