Matrix Cancellation Property: Conditions for Equality of Matrices A and B

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the equality of two matrices A and B can be inferred from the equation AC = BC, where C is a matrix of appropriate dimensions. Participants explore specific cases, particularly focusing on the implications when C is a column vector or a more general matrix.

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  • Participants discuss the necessary or sufficient conditions for AC = BC to imply A = B, with some suggesting simplifications and others questioning the assumptions about the matrix C. There are attempts to express A in terms of B and C, and considerations of different forms of C are raised.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have suggested rearranging the equation and considering specific cases for C, while others have expressed uncertainty about the implications of their findings. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being pursued.

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Participants note constraints regarding the dimensions of the matrices involved, particularly that C is a column vector in some cases. There is also mention of the discussion being moved to the homework forum, indicating a perception of the problem's nature as homework-related.

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Let A,B be mxn matrices and C be nxk matrix. What is the necessary or sufficient condition such that AC=BC implies A=B ?

In my work, A and B are m by m matrices and C is just a column vector m by 1. In this specialized case, what are the condition imposed on the elements of C such that AC=BC will implies A=B.

Any clue please?
 
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hi matematikawan :smile:

you could start by simplifying AC=BC :wink:
 
I'm still not clear what to do.
Let say, I change C to X=(x1 ... xm)t not a zero vector.


AX = BX so CX = 0 where C=A-B = (cij).
I want C to be zero m by m matrix so that A=B.

I have these equations.
c_{11}x_1 +c_{12}x_2 + ... +c_{1m}x_m = 0
c_{21}x_1 +c_{22}x_2 + ... +c_{2m}x_m = 0

etc.

How do I conclude that all cij are zero ?
 
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Probably my question about cancellation doesn't make sense. I will be satisfied also if I able to express A in term of B and C.

AC = BC

What is A in term of B and C? Remember C is a column vector. So there is no inverse for C.
 
hi matematikawan! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)

no, C isn't a column vector, it's a quite general matrix …
matematikawan said:
Let A,B be mxn matrices and C be nxk matrix. What is the necessary or sufficient condition such that AC=BC implies A=B ?

my suggestion is that you rearrange "AC=BC implies A=B"

to "(A-B)C = 0 implies A-B = 0" …

which, since A and B are completely general, is the same as "AC = 0 implies A = 0"

under what conditions (on m n k and C) will AC only be 0 when A is 0? :smile:
 
Thanks tiny-tim for the respond.

AC=0
A=0 if C has an inverse. That means C must be a square matrix m by m.

But my problem is that C is a column vector. The size of A, B and C already fix.
Actually I don't know why my question has been moved to the homework forum. I create the question myself. Probably it looks like an exercise in linear algebra.

Actually I'm trying a numerical method to solve pde using 'operational matrix of integration'. While plugging one of the boundary value, I need to solve for A in this equation.
AC=BC
A = ?

Thats why I initially posted the problem at linear algebra forum. Hoping for the answer. Normally I post question at DE forum.
 
hi matematikawan! :smile:

start with C a non-zero column matrix …

obviously, there are plenty of non-zero A such that AC = 0, so that C doesn't work

now what about C a non-zero two-column matrix …

apart from a square matrix, again that C doesn't work

but as you say it can work for C a square matrix …

so try considering the tall-thin and short-fat categories separately :wink:
matematikawan said:
… Actually I don't know why my question has been moved to the homework forum

i expect it was moved because of the general pf policy that anything that could be homework goes in the homework forums :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
so try considering the tall-thin and short-fat categories separately :wink:
... This will take sometime for me to figure out this.


I search the internet and found out something call pseudoinverse.
A*C=B*C
So that A=B*C*pinv(C)

except that the answer is not unique. (to be expected since we have more unknowns than the equations)
 

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