Matrix Multiplication -- Commutivity versus Associativity

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The discussion revolves around the properties of matrix multiplication, specifically focusing on commutativity and associativity. Participants explore whether the expression A^2.A^3 equals A^3.A^2, and how these properties apply to various types of matrices.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants assert that matrix multiplication is not commutative, while others provide examples where matrices do commute. There is an exploration of the associative property and its implications for expressions involving powers of matrices.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of matrix properties being explored. Some participants have attempted to validate their claims through examples, while others emphasize the need for rigorous argumentation. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of associativity in the context of matrix multiplication.

Contextual Notes

Participants question the implications of non-invertible matrices and discuss the definitions of multiplicative inverses in relation to matrix operations. There is a recognition of the limitations imposed by the properties of matrices in different scenarios.

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Homework Statement
If A is a square matrix, then A^2.A^3=A^3.A^2.
Is the above statement true or false????
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A^2.A^3=A^3.A^2.
According to me matrix multiplication is not commutative. Therefore A^2.A^3=A^3.A^2 should be false. But at the same time matrix multiplication is associative so we can take whatever no. of A's we want to multiply i.e A^5=A.A^4 OR A^5=A^2.A^3
 
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GlassBones said:
According to me matrix multiplication is not commutative. Therefore A^2.A^3=A^3.A^2 should be false.

Matrix multiplication is not commutative which means AB is NOT NECESSARILY BA. That doesn't mean that they have to be unequal.

There are many cases where the matrices commute, such as this one. Another one is a matrix and its inverse. The definition of the inverse of ##A## is a matrix ##A^{-1}## such that ##A^{-1}A = A A^{-1} = I##. The product most definitely commutes, and in either order gives you the identity matrix.

Two additional trivial examples: the identity matrix, ##IA = AI = A## and the zero matrix ##0 A = A 0 = 0##.
 
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I have tried for some matrices an even for general matric having elements a11,a12...
The result shows that the above statement is true
 
Crystal037 said:
I have tried for some matrices an even for general matric having elements a11,a12...
The result shows that the above statement is true
You cannot show a statement based on a couple of examples. The correct argumentation is using associativity as you outlined in the first post.
 
Crystal037 said:
I have tried for some matrices an even for general matric having elements a11,a12...
The result shows that the above statement is true

Sure, for the simple reason that both expressions are equal to ##A * A * A * A * A##, regardless of how ##A## is defined. And as you said, there's an associative property for matrices. So ##A^2 A^3 = A^3 A^2 = A A^4 = A A^3 A = \cdots##

By the way, remember that a scalar can be interpreted as a 1 x 1 matrix. And scalars definitely commute under multiplication. So ##ab = ba## is another example of "matrices" that commute under multiplication.
 
So to conclude any matrix A , A^n=A*A^(n-1)=A^2*A^(n-2)...=A^n-1*A.
 
Crystal037 said:
So to conclude any matrix A , A^n=A*A^(n-1)=A^2*A^(n-2)...=A^n-1*A.
Yes, and even further if the matrix is invertible:
$$
A^n = A^{n-k} A^k,
$$
where ##k## is any number in ##\mathbb Z## (including negative ones or ones larger than ##n##).
 
But what about matrices which are non-invertible. Please explain through an example
 
Crystal037 said:
But what about matrices which are non-invertible. Please explain through an example
Then all the exponents must be nonnegative, i.e. your list in post #6.
 
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Yes correct Also Is dividing a matrix A with B is same as multiplying A with additive inverse of B?
 
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Crystal037 said:
Yes correct Also Is dividing a matrix A with B is same as multiplying A with additive inverse of B?
Multiplicative inverse.
 
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yeah Yeah sorry multiplicative inverse
So is the above statement true for multiplicative inverse or simply inverse
 
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Crystal037 said:
yeah Yeah sorry multiplicative inverse
So is the above statement true for multiplicative inverse or simply inverse
Yes. In fact, multiplying by the multiplicative inverse is the definition of division in groups generally.
 

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