Matrix relation of sets. symmetric, antisymmetric,reflexive,transitive

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a relation defined by a matrix representation for the set A = {a, b, c}. Participants are evaluating the properties of reflexivity, transitivity, symmetry, and antisymmetry based on the given matrix.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the ordered pairs derived from the matrix and evaluate the reflexive property based on the presence of pairs (a,a), (b,b), and (c,c). There is also exploration of antisymmetry due to the absence of edges in opposite directions. Questions arise regarding the transitive property, with one participant suggesting a lack of transitivity based on specific pairs.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the properties of the relation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of reflexivity and symmetry, and there is an ongoing exploration of transitivity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the definitions of the properties of relations and are attempting to ensure all necessary conditions are met for each property. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the notation of ordered pairs.

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Homework Statement



relation A = {a,b,c} for the following matrix [1,0,0;1,1,0;0,1,1]

is it reflexive, transitive, symmetric, antisymmetric


Homework Equations



ordered pairs.

The Attempt at a Solution



i wrote the ordered pairs as (a,a),(b,a),(b,b),(c,b),(c,c)

I only that it is reflexive for a,a b,b and c,c
also it is antisymmetric because there are no edges in opposite directions between distinct verticies.

am I missing anything. thanks!
 
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sapiental said:

Homework Statement



relation A = {a,b,c} for the following matrix [1,0,0;1,1,0;0,1,1]

is it reflexive, transitive, symmetric, antisymmetric


Homework Equations



ordered pairs.

The Attempt at a Solution



i wrote the ordered pairs as (a,a),(b,a),(b,b),(c,b),(c,c)

I only that it is reflexive for a,a b,b and c,c
also it is antisymmetric because there are no edges in opposite directions between distinct verticies.

am I missing anything. thanks!
I don't know what you mean by "reflexive for a,a b,b and c,c. A relation is reflexive if and only if it contains (x,x) for all x in the base set. Since only a, b, and c are in the base set, and the relation contains (a,a), (b,b), and (c,c), yes, it is reflexive.

To be symmetric, since it contains (b,a) it would have to contain (a,b) and it doesn't: not symmetric. Since it does NOT contain (a,b) or (b,c), yes, it is anti-symmetric.

What about transitive? A relation is transitive if and only if, whenever (x,y) and (y,z) are in the relation, so is (x,z). Can you find pairs so that is NOT true?
 
Hey, thanks for the reply!

I didn't put parenthesis around the ordered pairs (a,a),(b,b),(c,c) for the first problem, sorry.

I don't think it's transitive since we have (c,b) and (b,a), and it doesn't contain (c,a). How does that sound? Thanks
 
Yes, that completes it.
 

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