Max Allowable Deviation for Projectile Range of 50km

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The problem involves determining the maximum allowable deviation from a vertical trajectory for a rocket that reaches a speed of 4.6 km/s and must land within 50 km of its launch site. The discussion centers around the application of the projectile motion range formula and the correct interpretation of gravitational acceleration.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of the range formula and question the use of gravitational acceleration as a negative value versus its magnitude. There is a focus on understanding the derivation of the range formula and the implications of using different signs for gravitational acceleration.

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Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made regarding the sign of gravitational acceleration in the context of the range formula. Some have reached an understanding of why the magnitude of g should be used, while others are still clarifying the derivation and its implications.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the interpretation of the gravitational constant in the context of the problem, particularly regarding whether to use its magnitude or vector form. The original poster expresses frustration over the conflicting results obtained from different interpretations.

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Homework Statement



After a short engine firiing, an atmosphere-probing rocket reaches 4.6km/s. If the rocket must land within 50km of its launc site, what's the max allowable deviation from a vertical trajectory.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Given by the book:

x = (vi^2/g)sin 2Θ

50,000m = (vi^2/-9.8)sin 2Θ

sin2Θ = (gx/vi^2) = 0.0232

Again this is really frustrating, I take g = -9.8 and x = 50,000m, vi = 4600m/s
but I get -0.0232.

What is wrong here?
If I use a positive g, I get 0.0232 but that would be rubbish.
 
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negation said:

Homework Statement



After a short engine firiing, an atmosphere-probing rocket reaches 4.6km/s. If the rocket must land within 50km of its launc site, what's the max allowable deviation from a vertical trajectory.

Homework Equations


none


The Attempt at a Solution



Given by the book:

x = (vi^2/g)sin 2Θ

50,000m = (vi^2/-9.8)sin 2Θ

sin2Θ = (gx/vi^2) = 0.0232

Again this is really frustrating, I take g = -9.8 and x = 50,000m, vi = 4600m/s
but I get -0.0232.

What is wrong here?
If I use a positive g, I get 0.0232 but that would be rubbish.

Why would it be "rubbish"?

I suggest you check the derivation of the range formula. That should tell you why ##g## should be taken as a positive number (just the magnitude) here.
 
Curious3141 said:
Why would it be "rubbish"?

I suggest you check the derivation of the range formula. That should tell you why ##g## should be taken as a positive number (just the magnitude) here.

I understand how to derive the equation for the range formula. What I don't understand is that the g in the equation was not specified as a magnitude so why should I be using the magnitude and not the vector g?
 
negation said:
I understand how to derive the equation for the range formula. What I don't understand is that the g in the equation was not specified as a magnitude so why should I be using the magnitude and not the vector g?

So, in the derivation, what is the exact expression for the vertical position at time ##t##?
 
Curious3141 said:
So, in the derivation, what is the exact expression for the vertical position at time ##t##?


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I have understood why g = 9.8 instead of -9.8ms^-2
 
negation said:
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I have understood why g = 9.8 instead of -9.8ms^-2

Good. It is because the equation for the vertical displacement explicitly includes a negative sign before ##g##, i.e. ##\displaystyle y = v\sin\theta{t} -\frac{1}{2}gt^2##. Hence ##g## here refers to the magnitude only.
 

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