Projectile motion equation proof

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The discussion revolves around proving the expression for the launch angle θ in projectile motion, specifically relating it to the maximum height (hmax) and the range (R) of the projectile. The participants are examining the relationship between these variables using established equations of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the significance of the ratio 4hmax/R and explores substitution and simplification of equations. Some participants question the correctness of the initial equations and suggest expressing tan(θ) in terms of sin(θ) and cos(θ) to facilitate the proof.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the proof without assuming the equations. There is recognition of a careless error in calculations, prompting a reevaluation of the steps taken. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the manipulation of the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of not assuming the validity of the equations provided and are encouraged to work backwards from the desired expression. There is an emphasis on careful handling of mathematical relationships and identities in the context of projectile motion.

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Homework Statement


Show that the launch angle θ is given by the expression:

θ=tan-1(4hmax/R)

where hmax is the maximum height in the trajectory and R is the range of the projectile.

Homework Equations


hmax=vi2sin2(θ)/2g
R=vi2sin(2θ)/g

The Attempt at a Solution


I am trying to understand the significance of the ratio 4hmax/R. I tried a couple of things, such as substitution and simplifying equations but have gotten nowhere. Can someone give me a tip on how to start this problem?
 
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Note that your expression for theta means tan(theta)=4hmax/R.
Note that tan(theta) is a slope.
Can you write tan(theta) in terms of hmax and R?
 
I plugged in the two equations and simplified:
$$ \frac {\tan(θ)}{4} = \frac {h_{max}}{R} = \frac {\frac {v^2\sin^2(θ)}{2g}}{\frac {v^2\sin(2θ)}{g}} = \frac {\sin^2(θ)}{g\sin(2θ)} =$$
$$ \frac {\sin^2(θ)}{2g\sin(θ)\cos(θ)} = \frac {\sin(θ)}{2g\cos(θ)} = \frac {\tan(θ)}{2g}$$
$$ \frac {\tan(θ)}{4} \neq \frac {\tan(θ)}{2g}$$
What am I doing wrong? Are my initial equations incorrect?
 
Recheck the third equal sign on the top row.

Usually, it is more elegant to not assume the equation that you are trying to obtain.
So, try to work it backwards by trying to first express tan(theta) in terms of sin(theta)/cos(theta), then see how one can get the expression you are trying to prove.
 
That was it! I made a careless error and treated ##2g## as ##g^2## in the third step.

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that I write proofs for these two equations: ## \frac {h_{max}}{R} = \frac {\frac {v^2\sin^2(θ)}{2g}}{\frac {v^2\sin(2θ)}{g}}## before using them?

If I am not going to assume the two equations or prove them, what do I do after this: ##R\sin(θ) = 4h_{max}\cos(θ)## ?
 
Using the "relevant equations", eliminate vi and g... and somehow form tan(theta).
 

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