Max amplitude of superposition of 2 waves

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum amplitude of the superposition of two waves described by the equations 4.6 cos(2π*5.4x) and 3.2 sin(2π*10x). Participants are exploring the mathematical implications of combining these waves and questioning the validity of different approaches to finding the amplitude.

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  • Some participants attempt to calculate the maximum amplitude using the Pythagorean theorem for amplitudes, while others question the validity of this approach given the differing frequencies of the waves. There are inquiries about the conditions under which certain amplitude values could be achieved and discussions about the periodic nature of the combined wave functions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various interpretations and calculations regarding the amplitude. There is no explicit consensus, as differing opinions on the mathematical rules and assumptions are being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the periodicity of the functions involved.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of combining waves of different frequencies and the conditions necessary for achieving specific amplitude values. There is also mention of LaTeX formatting issues that affect the clarity of mathematical expressions in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
Max amplitude of superposition of 2 waves
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Find amplitude of superposition of 2 waves, 4.6sin 2pi()*5.4x and 3.2sin2pi()*10x,
My answer is simply 4.6+ 3.2 = 7.8m , correct me if I am wrong.

If it's 4.6 ##\cos(2\pi*5.4x)## and 3.2 ##\sin(2\pi*10x)##, then the max amplitude should be sqrt(4.6^2 + 3.2^2) = 5.6m, correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Hi, and :welcome: ,

I can't even read your formulas (surely you don't mean ##(\sin 2)\ \pi \ 10x## but what you do mean is a guess.

Use some more brackets and learn to use ##\TeX##

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And your two claims cannot both be correct !

rc2008 said:
If it's 4.6cos2pi()*5.4x and 3.2sin2pi()*10x, then the max amplitude should be sqrt(4.6^2 + 3.2^2) = 5.6
What mathematical rule are you using here ?

And a graph of the superposition easily proves it's wrong !

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What do you get for the amplitude of ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## ? For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## ?

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BvU said:
What do you get for the amplitude of ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## ? For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## ?

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For ##\cos x+\sin x\ ##, i would get 2 , simply because ##sqrt(1+1)## = 2
 
BvU said:
What do you get for the amplitude of ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## ? For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## ?

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For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ##, I would also get 2, simply because of shape of ##\cos (x) \## will coincide after some time.

For my case of
4.6 ##\cos(2\pi*5.4x)## and 3.2 ##\sin(2\pi*10x)##
, I am not sure whether they will coincide or not because 10 is not a whole numer of multiplier of 5.4
 
rc2008 said:
For ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## , i would get 2 , simply because sqrt(1+1) = 2
sqrt (1+1) = 2 ?
Ah, you are learning ##\TeX## ! Bravo !


rc2008 said:
For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ##, I would also get 2, simply because of shape of ##\cos (x) \## will coincide after some time.

For my case of
4.6 ##\cos(2\pi*5.4x)## and 3.2 ##\sin(2\pi*10x)##
, I am not sure whether they will coincide or not because 10 is not a whole numer of multiplier of 5.4


You must have seen plots of ##\sin x## and ##\cos x##.

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## \cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## looks like this:

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Functions coincide some times (with y=0), peaks don't !
 
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rc2008 said:
For ##\cos x+\sin x\ ##, i would get 2 , simply because ##sqrt(1+1)## = 2
That's not true at all.
##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##.

Here's my LaTeX before it gets rendered by the browser: ##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##

Notice the backslash in front of the sqrt command.
 
rc2008 said:
My answer is simply 4.6+ 3.2 = 7.8m , correct me if I am wrong.

What condition(s) has(have) to be fulfilled for this 7.8 to be the value of ##4.6 \cos(2\pi*5.4x) + 3.2\sin(2\pi*10x)## ?
And for -7.8 ?

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4.6 \cos(2\pi*5.4x) + 3.2\sin(2\pi*10x) is periodic, because 5.4 is a rational multiple of 10. (It would be easier to write this as 4.6\cos(10.8\pi x) + 3.2\sin(20\pi x).)

It is not in general possible to reduce sines of different frequencies to an expression of the form R\sin (\alpha x + \beta). It might be possible to obtain the zeros of the derivative analytically, but most likely a numerical method will be required.
 
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Mark44 said:
That's not true at all.
##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##.

Here's my LaTeX before it gets rendered by the browser: ##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##

Notice the backslash in front of the sqrt command.
How do you prevent the Latex from rendering, even when using tags?
 
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WWGD said:
How do you prevent the Latex from rendering, even when using tags?
For the stuff I don't want to render, I color the first # of each group black using the BBCode color tool.
 
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