Max amplitude of superposition of 2 waves

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The maximum amplitude of the superposition of the two waves described by the equations 4.6 cos(2π * 5.4x) and 3.2 sin(2π * 10x) is calculated using the formula sqrt(4.6² + 3.2²), resulting in 5.6 meters. The incorrect assumption that the amplitudes can simply be added linearly to yield 7.8 meters is clarified as inaccurate. The periodic nature of the combined function is also discussed, noting that 5.4 is a rational multiple of 10, which affects the behavior of the waveforms. Understanding the conditions under which these amplitudes can be achieved is essential for accurate wave analysis.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of trigonometric functions, specifically sine and cosine.
  • Knowledge of wave superposition principles in physics.
  • Familiarity with amplitude calculations using the Pythagorean theorem.
  • Basic understanding of periodic functions and their properties.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the mathematical derivation of wave superposition and amplitude calculations.
  • Learn about the properties of periodic functions and their graphical representations.
  • Explore numerical methods for analyzing waveforms with different frequencies.
  • Investigate the use of LaTeX for rendering mathematical expressions in online discussions.
USEFUL FOR

Students and professionals in physics, mathematics, and engineering who are analyzing wave phenomena, as well as educators looking to clarify concepts related to wave superposition and amplitude calculations.

rc2008
Messages
11
Reaction score
0
Homework Statement
Max amplitude of superposition of 2 waves
Relevant Equations
Find amplitude of superposition of 2 waves, 4.6sin 2pi()*5.4x and 3.2sin2pi()*10x,
My answer is simply 4.6+ 3.2 = 7.8m , correct me if I am wrong.

If it's 4.6 ##\cos(2\pi*5.4x)## and 3.2 ##\sin(2\pi*10x)##, then the max amplitude should be sqrt(4.6^2 + 3.2^2) = 5.6m, correct me if I am wrong.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi, and :welcome: ,

I can't even read your formulas (surely you don't mean ##(\sin 2)\ \pi \ 10x## but what you do mean is a guess.

Use some more brackets and learn to use ##\TeX##

1731756369373.png

And your two claims cannot both be correct !

rc2008 said:
If it's 4.6cos2pi()*5.4x and 3.2sin2pi()*10x, then the max amplitude should be sqrt(4.6^2 + 3.2^2) = 5.6
What mathematical rule are you using here ?

And a graph of the superposition easily proves it's wrong !

##\ ##
 
Last edited:
What do you get for the amplitude of ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## ? For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## ?

##\ ##
 
BvU said:
What do you get for the amplitude of ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## ? For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## ?

##\ ##

For ##\cos x+\sin x\ ##, i would get 2 , simply because ##sqrt(1+1)## = 2
 
BvU said:
What do you get for the amplitude of ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## ? For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## ?

##\ ##
For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ##, I would also get 2, simply because of shape of ##\cos (x) \## will coincide after some time.

For my case of
4.6 ##\cos(2\pi*5.4x)## and 3.2 ##\sin(2\pi*10x)##
, I am not sure whether they will coincide or not because 10 is not a whole numer of multiplier of 5.4
 
rc2008 said:
For ##\cos x+\sin x\ ## , i would get 2 , simply because sqrt(1+1) = 2
sqrt (1+1) = 2 ?
Ah, you are learning ##\TeX## ! Bravo !


rc2008 said:
For ##\cos x+\sin (2x)\ ##, I would also get 2, simply because of shape of ##\cos (x) \## will coincide after some time.

For my case of
4.6 ##\cos(2\pi*5.4x)## and 3.2 ##\sin(2\pi*10x)##
, I am not sure whether they will coincide or not because 10 is not a whole numer of multiplier of 5.4


You must have seen plots of ##\sin x## and ##\cos x##.

1731771857806.png


## \cos x+\sin (2x)\ ## looks like this:

1731772042402.png

Functions coincide some times (with y=0), peaks don't !
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: rc2008
rc2008 said:
For ##\cos x+\sin x\ ##, i would get 2 , simply because ##sqrt(1+1)## = 2
That's not true at all.
##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##.

Here's my LaTeX before it gets rendered by the browser: ##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##

Notice the backslash in front of the sqrt command.
 
rc2008 said:
My answer is simply 4.6+ 3.2 = 7.8m , correct me if I am wrong.

What condition(s) has(have) to be fulfilled for this 7.8 to be the value of ##4.6 \cos(2\pi*5.4x) + 3.2\sin(2\pi*10x)## ?
And for -7.8 ?

##\ ##
 
4.6 \cos(2\pi*5.4x) + 3.2\sin(2\pi*10x) is periodic, because 5.4 is a rational multiple of 10. (It would be easier to write this as 4.6\cos(10.8\pi x) + 3.2\sin(20\pi x).)

It is not in general possible to reduce sines of different frequencies to an expression of the form R\sin (\alpha x + \beta). It might be possible to obtain the zeros of the derivative analytically, but most likely a numerical method will be required.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: rc2008
  • #10
Mark44 said:
That's not true at all.
##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##.

Here's my LaTeX before it gets rendered by the browser: ##\sqrt{1 + 1} = \sqrt 2##

Notice the backslash in front of the sqrt command.
How do you prevent the Latex from rendering, even when using tags?
 
  • #11
WWGD said:
How do you prevent the Latex from rendering, even when using tags?
For the stuff I don't want to render, I color the first # of each group black using the BBCode color tool.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: WWGD

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K