Max Angle for Block to Roll Without Slipping: 29.24°

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The problem involves determining the maximum angle at which a solid cylinder can roll without slipping on an inclined plane, given that a block of the same material begins to slide at a lower angle. The context includes concepts from dynamics and rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between translational and rotational motion, with one participant attempting to derive the maximum angle using equations involving friction and acceleration. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the calculations and the interpretation of the arctangent function.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the calculations and the use of the arctangent function. Some participants provide guidance on using calculators for inverse tangent, while others express confusion about specific steps in the derivation.

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There is mention of a potential error in the calculations, as well as confusion regarding the application of trigonometric functions. Participants are navigating through the assumptions related to rolling without slipping and the implications of the equations used.

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1. Homework Statement
A block of a certain material begins to slide on an inclined plane when the plane is inclined to an angle of 15.64°. If a solid cyclinder is fashioned from the same material, what will be the maximum angle at which it will roll without slipping on the plan

2. Homework Equations

tan θ = μ
tan 15.64 = 0.28 = μ
Now let's assume a solid cylinder with mass M and radius R on an inclination θ
Translatory motion, (a is acceleration of CM)
Mg sinθ - μMgcosθ = Ma
g sinθ - μgcosθ = a ...(1)

Rotational motion,
μMgcosθ(R) = Iα (α is angular acceleration)
μMgcosθ (R) = MR²/2(α)
μ g cosθ = R/2 (α) ...(2)

for pure rolling,
αR = a

μ g cosθ = a / 2
Replace a with the expression in (1)
μ g cosθ = g sinθ - μgcosθ
μ cosθ = sinθ - μ cosθ
2(μ cosθ) = sinθ
μ = tanθ / 2

θ = arc tan (2μ) = arc tan(0.56) = 29.24 deg

3. The Attempt at a Solution
I got incorrect answer for that problem?? I don't know why I got it wrong??
 
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Hi Anya91! :smile:
Anya91 said:
μ g cosθ = a / 2
Replace a with the expression in (1)
μ g cosθ = g sinθ - μgcosθ

You dropped the 2. :redface:

(btw, you could also have done τ = Iα about the centre of rotation :wink:)
 
thank you so much :) I got correct answer now =)
 
i am so confused.. how can you find the "arc" that you are plugging into "arc tan(0.56) = 29.24 deg" i tried this and i am LOST! helppp!
 
hi slk011! :smile:
slk011 said:
.. how can you find the "arc" that you are plugging into "arc tan(0.56) = 29.24 deg"

arctan is the same as tan-1

use the tan-1 button on your calculator, and it gives you the angle whose tan is 0.56 :wink:

(you may need to click "2nd" to turn the tan button into tan-1)
 
Thank you for the help! ... i am using eq (3 tanθ)(tan-1 (3tanθ) and its not working :( what am i doing wrong?
 
nevermind! got it! it was (3 tanθ)+(tan-1 (3tanθ)!
 

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