Max Area of Simple Quadrilateral w/ Sides $a$ & $b$: Justification

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The discussion revolves around determining the largest possible area of a simple quadrilateral with two sides of length $a$ and two sides of length $b$. The focus includes theoretical justifications and properties of quadrilaterals, particularly regarding convex shapes and configurations that maximize area.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the area of a polygon with given sides is maximized when the polygon is convex.
  • It is proposed that in a convex quadrilateral, the lengths of two consecutive sides can be interchanged without affecting the area, allowing for permutations of side lengths.
  • A specific configuration is suggested where the quadrilateral is treated as a parallelogram with sides $a$ and $b$, leading to a maximum area of $ab$ when it is a rectangle.
  • Others mention that the original quadrilateral could also be a kite-shaped figure with two opposite right angles, indicating multiple configurations that could yield maximum area.
  • There is a note that for any quadrilateral with given sides, the area is largest when the quadrilateral is cyclic, which can be generalized to any polygon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express agreement on certain properties of convex quadrilaterals and configurations that maximize area, but there is no consensus on a singular configuration or method to derive the maximum area, leaving multiple competing views on the topic.

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The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions regarding the configurations of quadrilaterals, nor does it clarify the implications of cyclic properties on area maximization.

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What is the largest possible area of a simple quadrilateral, two sides of which
have length $a$ and two sides of which have length $b$? Please justify your statement.
 
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lfdahl said:
What is the largest possible area of a simple quadrilateral, two sides of which
have length $a$ and two sides of which have length $b$? Please justify your statement.
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The area of polygon with given sides is obviously largest when the polygon is convex.

Given a convex quadrilateral $ABCD$, we can interchange the length of two consecutive sides without changing the area. Indeed, we can flip the triangle $ABC$ with respect to the perpendicular bisector of $AC$ to get a quadrilateral $AB'CD$ with the same area and perimeter. As transpositions generate the whole symmetric group $S_4$, we may permute the lengths of the sides in any way without changing the solution. Note that this is true for any convex polygon.

In this case, we may therefore assume that equal sides are not adjacent; the quadrilateral is therefore a parallelogram with sides $a$ and $b$. The area will be maximum and equal to $ab$ when that parallelogram is a rectangle.

The original quadrilateral will be either a rectangle or a kite-shaped figure with two opposite right angles (a right triangle and its mirror image with respect to the hypotenuse).

Note: it can be shown that, for a quadrilateral with any given sides, the area is largest when the quadrilateral is cyclic; and that too can be generalized to any polygon. See here for a proof.
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castor28 said:
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The area of polygon with given sides is obviously largest when the polygon is convex.

Given a convex quadrilateral $ABCD$, we can interchange the length of two consecutive sides without changing the area. Indeed, we can flip the triangle $ABC$ with respect to the perpendicular bisector of $AC$ to get a quadrilateral $AB'CD$ with the same area and perimeter. As transpositions generate the whole symmetric group $S_4$, we may permute the lengths of the sides in any way without changing the solution. Note that this is true for any convex polygon.

In this case, we may therefore assume that equal sides are not adjacent; the quadrilateral is therefore a parallelogram with sides $a$ and $b$. The area will be maximum and equal to $ab$ when that parallelogram is a rectangle.

The original quadrilateral will be either a rectangle or a kite-shaped figure with two opposite right angles (a right triangle and its mirror image with respect to the hypotenuse).

Note: it can be shown that, for a quadrilateral with any given sides, the area is largest when the quadrilateral is cyclic; and that too can be generalized to any polygon. See here for a proof.
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You are of course right, castor28! Thankyou very much for your participation and for a very "beyond the challenge" instructive answer.(Nod)
 
we can chose the vertices ABCD of the quadrilateal so that (AB= a, BC= b) and then based on the sides(AD=a, CD= b) or (AD=b, CD =a).

so the 2 triangles ABC and ADC/ ACD(depending on the case above) are congruent. hence area same

area of the triangle ABC (AB and BC fixed) is maximum when angle B is $90^\circ$ and it is right angled triangle.

so is angle D.

So ABCD is cyclic quadrilateral and area is ab.
 
kaliprasad said:
we can chose the vertices ABCD of the quadrilateal so that (AB= a, BC= b) and then based on the sides(AD=a, CD= b) or (AD=b, CD =a).

so the 2 triangles ABC and ADC/ ACD(depending on the case above) are congruent. hence area same

area of the triangle ABC (AB and BC fixed) is maximum when angle B is $90^\circ$ and it is right angled triangle.

so is angle D.

So ABCD is cyclic quadrilateral and area is ab.

Yes, you are of course right, kaliprasad!
Thankyou for your participation.
 

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