Max Force Applied to System of Two Masses Connected by Rope w/o Breaking

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The problem involves two masses accelerating on a horizontal surface, connected by a rope, with friction acting on one mass. The goal is to determine the maximum force that can be applied to the system without breaking the rope, expressed in terms of the tension limit.

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  • Participants discuss free body diagrams for both masses and derive equations of motion. There is an exploration of how to express the applied force in terms of the maximum tension in the rope.

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Some participants have provided guidance on manipulating the equations to eliminate acceleration and express the force in terms of tension. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved.

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Participants note the challenge of expressing the final answer without using acceleration directly, as both derived equations include it. The original poster acknowledges a misunderstanding in their initial approach.

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Two masses accelerate along a flat horizontal surface. They are connected by a rope. There is no friction between M_2 and the surface but friction between M1 is described by mu_k. the rope connecting M1 and M2 (M2 is right of M1) breats at a tension T_o. What is the maximum force F that can be applied to the system (pulling M2) that can be applied to the system without the rope breaking.

This is what I did so far.

I drew the free body diagrams for both. For M1, I have Normal force pointing up, graviyt down, friction to the left, and tension to the right.

For M2, I have gravity down, normal force up, F to the right, and T to the left.

For M1

x) T-f_k = (m1)*a
y) N - M1*g = 0

For M2

x) F-T = M2*a
y) N2- M2*g = 0

So I got T = m1a + f_k
and F = T + M2 * a

I plugged things in and got

F = (M1 + M2)a + mu_k * N1

However, I know this is the wrong answer. I am suppose to express F in terms of T_o somehow. What am I suppose to do from here?
 
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You will have two expressions for the acceleration of each mass (F=ma).
Divide one equation by other and eliminate the acceleration a. Solve for T_o.
 
If I divide I get

(T-f_k)/(F-T) = m1/m2

What do I do now? I know that I cannot use a in the final answer but both of the relationships I got from the free body diagrams involves a.
 
Sorry, I should have said solve for F, in my last post.

(T-f_k)/(F-T) = m1/m2
(m2/m1)(T-f_k) = F-T
F = T + (m2/m1)(T-mu_k.m1)
 
Thanks very much.
 

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