Max Mass on Helium Balloon: 4.40 x 10^-3 kg

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The problem involves determining the maximum mass that can be suspended from a helium-filled balloon without it sinking. It is situated within the context of buoyancy and involves calculations related to the densities of helium and air, as well as the volume of the balloon.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the buoyant force using the density of air and questions whether this force represents the air pushing up on the balloon or the helium inside it. They explore two different approaches to find the maximum mass, leading to uncertainty about which is correct.
  • Some participants clarify that the buoyant force corresponds to the weight of the displaced air and discuss how to calculate the weight of the balloon, raising questions about the appropriate method for this calculation.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the calculation of the balloon's weight and the buoyant force. There is a clear exploration of different interpretations and methods, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach or solution.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of buoyancy and weight calculations, with some uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between the forces involved. The original poster expresses doubt about their calculations and the assumptions made regarding the densities used.

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Homework Statement


A 1.10 g balloon is filled with helium gas until it becomes a 20.0 cm-diameter sphere.
What maximum mass can be tied to the balloon (with a massless string) without the balloon sinking to the floor?
Density of Air: 1.28 kg/m^3
Density of Helium gas : 0.18 kg/m^3
Volume of a sphere: V = 4/3*pi*r^3
g = 9.80 m/s^2

Homework Equations


Buoyant Force (Fb) = p (density) * V * g
Density = mass/volume
Fb = Wo = p (density of object) * V (Volume of object) * g

The Attempt at a Solution


Fb = Weight of the object + Mg (M is the mass to be solved)
(1.23)(4/3*pi*(0.1m)^3)(9.8) = (0.18)(4/3*pi*(0.1m)^3)(9.8) + M(9.8)
M = 4.40 * 10^-3kg

I am uncertain of whether the buoyant force is the force of air pushing upwards on the balloon, or whether it is the helium gas in the balloon. Nonetheless, I used air as the density to solve for the buoyant force.

Another possibility would be that:
T = Fb - mg
T = (1.23)(4/3*pi*(0.1m)^3)(9.8) - (0.0011kg)(9.8)
T = 0.0397 N
Therefore mass of the object = 0.0397N / 9.8 = 4.05 * 10^-3

I am doubtful of which solution is correct and if either solution is actually correct.
Thank you in advance.
 
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The weight that the balloon can hold will be the buoyant force, minus the weight of the balloon. The buoyant force is equal to the weight of the displaced air.
 
Thanks Kurdt. I know that the buoyant force is equal to the weight of the displaced air, which is represented by (1.23)(4/3*pi*(0.1m)^3)(9.8).
But I'm not sure how to calculate the weight of the balloon. Do I use the density of the helium gas and multiply it by Volume and gravity (Weight = D*V*g) or simply use Weight = mg
 
You'll need to use the density multiplied by the volume, and of course add it to the weight of the balloon.
 

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