How Large Must a Helium Balloon Be to Achieve Neutral Buoyancy?

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The discussion revolves around determining the diameter of a helium-filled balloon required for it to achieve neutral buoyancy, given the mass of the empty balloon. Participants are exploring the relationship between the weight of the balloon and the weight of the air displaced, while also considering the role of density in the calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the balance of forces for neutral buoyancy, specifically the weight of the balloon compared to the weight of the air displaced. There is confusion regarding the role of density, particularly due to the absence of specific density values in the problem. Some suggest using the ideal gas law to find the necessary densities.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the calculations and assumptions. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored, including the correction of the volume formula for the balloon.

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Participants note the lack of specific density values for air and helium, which are crucial for solving the problem. The original poster's confusion about the role of density is a recurring theme in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



What diameter must a helium filled balloon have to float with neutral buoyancy? The mass of the empty balloon is 2 g.

Homework Equations



FB = (density)(gravity)(Volume)
Volume of balloon = 4/3(4.13)r^2
Density = mass/Volume

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the balloon will float when its weight is equal to the weight of the air displaced.
Weight of balloon = Weight of air displaced
Weight of empty balloon = 0.002kg x 9.81 = 0.01962N
Thus weight of air displaced = 0.01962N
But this is a far as I am getting as I am very confused with where the density plays a roles since no densities is given in this problem.
 
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You've overlooked a contributor to the weight of the balloon.
You do need facts concerning gas densities. Assume atmospheric pressure.
 
TR1 said:

Homework Statement



What diameter must a helium filled balloon have to float with neutral buoyancy? The mass of the empty balloon is 2 g.

Homework Equations



FB = (density)(gravity)(Volume)
Volume of balloon = 4/3(4.13)r^2
Density = mass/Volume

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the balloon will float when its weight is equal to the weight of the air displaced.
Weight of balloon = Weight of air displaced
Weight of empty balloon = 0.002kg x 9.81 = 0.01962N
Thus weight of air displaced = 0.01962N
But this is a far as I am getting as I am very confused with where the density plays a roles since no densities is given in this problem.
Use the ideal gas law to get the density of air (and helium if you think that will be significant compared to the balloon weight).

Chet
 
TR1 said:

Homework Statement



What diameter must a helium filled balloon have to float with neutral buoyancy? The mass of the empty balloon is 2 g.

Homework Equations



FB = (density)(gravity)(Volume)
Volume of balloon = 4/3(4.13)r^2
Density = mass/Volume

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the balloon will float when its weight is equal to the weight of the air displaced.
Weight of balloon = Weight of air displaced
Weight of empty balloon = 0.002kg x 9.81 = 0.01962N
Thus weight of air displaced = 0.01962N
But this is a far as I am getting as I am very confused with where the density plays a roles since no densities is given in this problem.
Your formula for the volume of the balloon is incorrect.

V = (4/3)π r3 (yes, r cubed, not r squared)

and π ≈ 3.14159 ..., not 4.13
 

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