Max Speed Banked Curve: Calculating Friction Coefficients for Trajectory

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a car navigating a banked curve, specifically focusing on the maximum speed achievable given the coefficient of kinetic friction. Participants are exploring the implications of using different friction coefficients in their calculations and the resulting trajectory of the car.

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  • Participants are questioning whether to substitute the coefficient of kinetic friction for static friction in their calculations of maximum velocity. There is also a discussion about the conditions under which a car might crash while navigating the curve.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the behavior of the car at maximum speed and the effects of exceeding that speed. Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between kinetic and static friction, while others are considering the consequences of losing traction.

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There is a mention of specific scenarios, such as the car potentially crashing if it exceeds the maximum speed, and references to real-world examples from racing contexts. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the differences between kinetic and static friction in this context.

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we werre asked to draw the trajectory of the car going at maximum speed on a banked curve given the coefficient of kinetic friction. Since the friction equations are the same and I already calculated the maximum velocity allowed using the coefficient for static friction, should I just plug in this coefficient of kinetic friction in place of the old coefficient of static friction?

lastly, would it be right to set the path going toward the wall, and crasing like I imagine it to be?
 
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Why would the car crash? The point of the banked curve and friction is that the car stays on the road without crashing. Kinetic friction is less than static friction, so it would be conservative use kinetic friction to determine maximum velocity if the wheels slipped. The wheels of a car rotate such that the tangential velocity of the surface of the tire matches the road speed of the vehicle. So the actual allowable maximum velocity would occur with static friction.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/corf.html#cent

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mechanics/carbank.html
 
so, can anyone suggest what would happen if the car was traveling at the maximum speed? would it go around the outside of the curve, almost touching the wall from beginning to end?
 
Actually, the question asks the motion of the car if it exceeds the maximum speed for the curve given a certain coefficient of sliding friction. Should it crash in this case?
 
If the car completely loses traction, it will travel tangent to the curve and hit the wall, which is occasionally what happens in autoraces like NASCAR and Indy 500.
 

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